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		<title>By: nasurj</title>
		<link>http://www.four-pillars.ca/2008/02/06/energy-sales-scams/comment-page-2/#comment-66006</link>
		<dc:creator>nasurj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 15:27:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually it&#039;s not as ez as that, Have a look at the contract you have signed. This is a snip-it from the contract.
&quot;I also agree to notify Summitt in writing of any other change of information (including
a change of account number, contact information or Mailing Address) at least 60 days prior to such change
taking effect or immediately if the change is to take effect in less than 60 days.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually it&#8217;s not as ez as that, Have a look at the contract you have signed. This is a snip-it from the contract.<br />
&#8220;I also agree to notify Summitt in writing of any other change of information (including<br />
a change of account number, contact information or Mailing Address) at least 60 days prior to such change<br />
taking effect or immediately if the change is to take effect in less than 60 days.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: jay</title>
		<link>http://www.four-pillars.ca/2008/02/06/energy-sales-scams/comment-page-2/#comment-65948</link>
		<dc:creator>jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 01:43:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sherry,all you have to do is change the name on the bill,and Just Energy falls off of your bill,and they cant do a thing about it.
if the bill is in your husband&#039;s name,change it to yours,or vice versa

as for nasurj,i guess he didn&#039;t read my comment on how to cancel out</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sherry,all you have to do is change the name on the bill,and Just Energy falls off of your bill,and they cant do a thing about it.<br />
if the bill is in your husband&#8217;s name,change it to yours,or vice versa</p>
<p>as for nasurj,i guess he didn&#8217;t read my comment on how to cancel out</p>
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		<title>By: nasurj</title>
		<link>http://www.four-pillars.ca/2008/02/06/energy-sales-scams/comment-page-2/#comment-65518</link>
		<dc:creator>nasurj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Mar 2010 16:07:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have discovered a way to deal with these scumbags and get you out of the contract.
I was also duped in to signing this stupid contract, by the time I saw the new invoice it was $80.00 higher then I’ve ever paid and too late to cancel. Which is extremely frustrating? I took it to the BBB …nothing. I talked to lawyers…nothing.
It turns out this is perfectly legal to do…But I found away and I am selling it on EBay
I will sell each complete document for $10.00 for the first 10 documents. Once these people finish the procedure hopefully they will put the review on my EBay site to let people know it really works.  After the first 10 go I am raising the price to $100, so be quick!
Considering what the scumbags will charge you, that is still cheap.
I am charging to recoup lost money and piece of mind. 
Go to EBay.ca and search for How to get out of your utilities contract</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have discovered a way to deal with these scumbags and get you out of the contract.<br />
I was also duped in to signing this stupid contract, by the time I saw the new invoice it was $80.00 higher then I’ve ever paid and too late to cancel. Which is extremely frustrating? I took it to the BBB …nothing. I talked to lawyers…nothing.<br />
It turns out this is perfectly legal to do…But I found away and I am selling it on EBay<br />
I will sell each complete document for $10.00 for the first 10 documents. Once these people finish the procedure hopefully they will put the review on my EBay site to let people know it really works.  After the first 10 go I am raising the price to $100, so be quick!<br />
Considering what the scumbags will charge you, that is still cheap.<br />
I am charging to recoup lost money and piece of mind.<br />
Go to EBay.ca and search for How to get out of your utilities contract</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://www.four-pillars.ca/2008/02/06/energy-sales-scams/comment-page-2/#comment-65382</link>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 15:12:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We also just got a rebate cheque for 29 dollars from Just Energy on March 5th.  We have never dealt, let alone heard of this company until I just looked it up and was hit with link after link talking about scams.  My wife contacted our hydro company who informed us that we are no longer with them.  She then contacted Just Energy in Mississauga and was told that we had indeed signed a contract.  My wife asked the know who signed it and was told that was signed by a gentleman who lives across the street from us and that he indeed signed a contract for his own residence 2 years ago and there must have been a mixup.  I don&#039;t buy this excuse.  She told us not to cash the cheque and that they will have to do some further investigating. What I don&#039;t get is that we have been dealing with our hydro company even up until the last few months.  How could this mixup just happen after 2 years of the neighbor being with this company.  My wife has threatened to contact the Ontario Energy Board and the Police Fraud dept. and has given them 5 business days to resolve this matter in Writing.  So Mike, I think you also have some investigating to do...DO NOT CASH THAT CHEQUE!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We also just got a rebate cheque for 29 dollars from Just Energy on March 5th.  We have never dealt, let alone heard of this company until I just looked it up and was hit with link after link talking about scams.  My wife contacted our hydro company who informed us that we are no longer with them.  She then contacted Just Energy in Mississauga and was told that we had indeed signed a contract.  My wife asked the know who signed it and was told that was signed by a gentleman who lives across the street from us and that he indeed signed a contract for his own residence 2 years ago and there must have been a mixup.  I don&#8217;t buy this excuse.  She told us not to cash the cheque and that they will have to do some further investigating. What I don&#8217;t get is that we have been dealing with our hydro company even up until the last few months.  How could this mixup just happen after 2 years of the neighbor being with this company.  My wife has threatened to contact the Ontario Energy Board and the Police Fraud dept. and has given them 5 business days to resolve this matter in Writing.  So Mike, I think you also have some investigating to do&#8230;DO NOT CASH THAT CHEQUE!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Sherry</title>
		<link>http://www.four-pillars.ca/2008/02/06/energy-sales-scams/comment-page-2/#comment-65329</link>
		<dc:creator>Sherry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 04:23:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>my husband and I are trying to get out of our Just Energy contract. He was &quot;scared&quot; into thinking that this was the way to go instead of staying with Ontario Hydro and now we are having a hard time paying our skyrocketing hydro bill? Just Energy has said they will charge us $900.00 to cancel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>my husband and I are trying to get out of our Just Energy contract. He was &#8220;scared&#8221; into thinking that this was the way to go instead of staying with Ontario Hydro and now we are having a hard time paying our skyrocketing hydro bill? Just Energy has said they will charge us $900.00 to cancel.</p>
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		<title>By: jay leno</title>
		<link>http://www.four-pillars.ca/2008/02/06/energy-sales-scams/comment-page-2/#comment-63933</link>
		<dc:creator>jay leno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Mar 2010 21:13:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you are being so screwed if you have a supplier.

let your contract run out

if you have a contract,put your service in somebody else&#039;s name,and it falls off</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you are being so screwed if you have a supplier.</p>
<p>let your contract run out</p>
<p>if you have a contract,put your service in somebody else&#8217;s name,and it falls off</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Lacelle</title>
		<link>http://www.four-pillars.ca/2008/02/06/energy-sales-scams/comment-page-2/#comment-63077</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Lacelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 16:15:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We just got a &quot;rebate&quot;cheque from Just Energy for 28$.  
What&#039;s the catch?  I have absolutley no intention of cashing it in
whatsoever.  Is this a scam to lock us in for another 5 years if we do?

Anybody know?

Thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We just got a &#8220;rebate&#8221;cheque from Just Energy for 28$.<br />
What&#8217;s the catch?  I have absolutley no intention of cashing it in<br />
whatsoever.  Is this a scam to lock us in for another 5 years if we do?</p>
<p>Anybody know?</p>
<p>Thanks</p>
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		<title>By: Watching the detectives</title>
		<link>http://www.four-pillars.ca/2008/02/06/energy-sales-scams/comment-page-2/#comment-54236</link>
		<dc:creator>Watching the detectives</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jan 2010 05:41:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andrew Steele

The Ontario Tories&#039; leadership race continues to get more divisive.

The latest salvo is an anonymous attack on Frank Klees from quarters unknown, under the psuedonom &quot;Tory Detective.&quot;

The allegation is a serious one: that Mr. Klees is on the board of a company fined $200,000 by the Ontario Energy Board for making false and misleading statements.

Mr. Klees was considered the best performer in the leadership debates, a wily blend of Brian Mulroney and Ernie Eves. He&#039;d better keep it up. It will take every ounce of Irish Blarney and double-E slickness he can muster to explain away these claims.

The e-mail read as follows:

From: Tory Detective 

To: torydetective@yahoo.ca 

Sent: Sat May 30 22:24:05 2009

Subject: Frank Klees: Business Experience &amp; Judgement? Uh oh....

Someone is walking the walk, but not talking the talk.

Frank Klees wants Ontario PC Party members to believe that he should be elected leader due to his &quot;business experience&quot;. But it looks like Frank&#039;s business experience may not be quite the positive attribute he once thought it was. And judgement? Well...

Frankie sits on the Board for Universal Energy Group and is a member of the Audit Committee for the company. He even chairs the Compensation and Governance Committee.

As reported by the Toronto Star earlier this year, that same company - Universal Energy Group - was fined $200,000 by the Ontario Energy Board for making &quot;false, misleading or deceptive statements to consumers.&quot;

A copy of the order (which isn&#039;t the first time) can be found here.

And another one in April (wasn&#039;t there a Leadership going on then?).

And the people are some angry. Victims of the &quot;Universal Energy Scam&quot; can be found talking about their experiences.

...

But Frank doesn&#039;t just sit on the Board. Universal Energy CEO Mark Silver, through his company, OPTUS Capital Corporation, made the single biggest donation to Frank&#039;s campaign: a whopping $34,000 - about 20% of his entire campaign.

Frank&#039;s campaign even reported the donation in the real-time donor disclosures to Elections Ontario.

Wow. Frank&#039;s &quot;business experience&quot; seems to entail managing an energy company ripping off old ladies door-to-door. Judgement, indeed.

Hope you find this enlightening.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew Steele</p>
<p>The Ontario Tories&#8217; leadership race continues to get more divisive.</p>
<p>The latest salvo is an anonymous attack on Frank Klees from quarters unknown, under the psuedonom &#8220;Tory Detective.&#8221;</p>
<p>The allegation is a serious one: that Mr. Klees is on the board of a company fined $200,000 by the Ontario Energy Board for making false and misleading statements.</p>
<p>Mr. Klees was considered the best performer in the leadership debates, a wily blend of Brian Mulroney and Ernie Eves. He&#8217;d better keep it up. It will take every ounce of Irish Blarney and double-E slickness he can muster to explain away these claims.</p>
<p>The e-mail read as follows:</p>
<p>From: Tory Detective </p>
<p>To: <a href="mailto:torydetective@yahoo.ca">torydetective@yahoo.ca</a> </p>
<p>Sent: Sat May 30 22:24:05 2009</p>
<p>Subject: Frank Klees: Business Experience &amp; Judgement? Uh oh&#8230;.</p>
<p>Someone is walking the walk, but not talking the talk.</p>
<p>Frank Klees wants Ontario PC Party members to believe that he should be elected leader due to his &#8220;business experience&#8221;. But it looks like Frank&#8217;s business experience may not be quite the positive attribute he once thought it was. And judgement? Well&#8230;</p>
<p>Frankie sits on the Board for Universal Energy Group and is a member of the Audit Committee for the company. He even chairs the Compensation and Governance Committee.</p>
<p>As reported by the Toronto Star earlier this year, that same company &#8211; Universal Energy Group &#8211; was fined $200,000 by the Ontario Energy Board for making &#8220;false, misleading or deceptive statements to consumers.&#8221;</p>
<p>A copy of the order (which isn&#8217;t the first time) can be found here.</p>
<p>And another one in April (wasn&#8217;t there a Leadership going on then?).</p>
<p>And the people are some angry. Victims of the &#8220;Universal Energy Scam&#8221; can be found talking about their experiences.</p>
<p>&#8230;</p>
<p>But Frank doesn&#8217;t just sit on the Board. Universal Energy CEO Mark Silver, through his company, OPTUS Capital Corporation, made the single biggest donation to Frank&#8217;s campaign: a whopping $34,000 &#8211; about 20% of his entire campaign.</p>
<p>Frank&#8217;s campaign even reported the donation in the real-time donor disclosures to Elections Ontario.</p>
<p>Wow. Frank&#8217;s &#8220;business experience&#8221; seems to entail managing an energy company ripping off old ladies door-to-door. Judgement, indeed.</p>
<p>Hope you find this enlightening.</p>
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		<title>By: janet</title>
		<link>http://www.four-pillars.ca/2008/02/06/energy-sales-scams/comment-page-2/#comment-41818</link>
		<dc:creator>janet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 03:57:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My dad got tricked into signing with a company called Just Energy. The sales guy insisted on taking photocopies of the gas and hydro bills to sign my dad up for lower costs. The sales guy wouldn&#039;t let him see the contract right away. Today my dad already started proceedings to get out of it but my siblings and I are really worried about either identity theft or some sort of scam on my dad&#039;s house, given that the guy took copies of the two energy bills. 

It&#039;s really frightening how this all went down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My dad got tricked into signing with a company called Just Energy. The sales guy insisted on taking photocopies of the gas and hydro bills to sign my dad up for lower costs. The sales guy wouldn&#8217;t let him see the contract right away. Today my dad already started proceedings to get out of it but my siblings and I are really worried about either identity theft or some sort of scam on my dad&#8217;s house, given that the guy took copies of the two energy bills. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s really frightening how this all went down.</p>
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		<title>By: jay</title>
		<link>http://www.four-pillars.ca/2008/02/06/energy-sales-scams/comment-page-2/#comment-37255</link>
		<dc:creator>jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 12:39:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>isg energy is  SCAM
universal is a SCAM
ALL OF THEM ARE A SCAM
to get out of the contract is very easy,just disconnect service,get the service in somebody else&#039;s name for 1 month billing cycle,then  get it back in your name
it knocks these scam artists right off your bill</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>isg energy is  SCAM<br />
universal is a SCAM<br />
ALL OF THEM ARE A SCAM<br />
to get out of the contract is very easy,just disconnect service,get the service in somebody else&#8217;s name for 1 month billing cycle,then  get it back in your name<br />
it knocks these scam artists right off your bill</p>
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