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		<title>By: Tax Free Savings Account (TFSA) Ideas &#124; Financial Highway</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tax Free Savings Account (TFSA) Ideas &#124; Financial Highway</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 09:05:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: nobleea</title>
		<link>http://www.four-pillars.ca/2008/02/28/benefits-of-tax-free-savings-account-tfsa/comment-page-1/#comment-11035</link>
		<dc:creator>nobleea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 20:17:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re supposed to pee in the toilet. Not your corn flakes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re supposed to pee in the toilet. Not your corn flakes.</p>
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		<title>By: Nobody</title>
		<link>http://www.four-pillars.ca/2008/02/28/benefits-of-tax-free-savings-account-tfsa/comment-page-1/#comment-11034</link>
		<dc:creator>Nobody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 19:57:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ANother Trojan Horse delivered by our government made out of thieves. DO NOT trust them whatever they give you, nothing is free nowadays, remember that. Find some &quot;good&quot; bank (we all know there is no good bank anyway) with some nice interest rate on your savings account and save it that way. Last 6 years, I put 80 thousand just in savings + interest of course that I get. That&#039;s my savings account, that&#039;s what&#039;s going to pay my child&#039;s education and help us in the future. No one is going to tell me what to do with my money. I worked hard for it and I can do with it whatever I want. Oh, yes... Have I mentioned that I never ever used credit cards? Not a single loan in my whole life, not a single cent of debt. If you manage your money properly, you don&#039;t need these government suckers to tell you what to do with your money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ANother Trojan Horse delivered by our government made out of thieves. DO NOT trust them whatever they give you, nothing is free nowadays, remember that. Find some &#8220;good&#8221; bank (we all know there is no good bank anyway) with some nice interest rate on your savings account and save it that way. Last 6 years, I put 80 thousand just in savings + interest of course that I get. That&#8217;s my savings account, that&#8217;s what&#8217;s going to pay my child&#8217;s education and help us in the future. No one is going to tell me what to do with my money. I worked hard for it and I can do with it whatever I want. Oh, yes&#8230; Have I mentioned that I never ever used credit cards? Not a single loan in my whole life, not a single cent of debt. If you manage your money properly, you don&#8217;t need these government suckers to tell you what to do with your money.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
		<link>http://www.four-pillars.ca/2008/02/28/benefits-of-tax-free-savings-account-tfsa/comment-page-1/#comment-10234</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 16:14:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This TFSA worries me.  As you&#039;ve pointed out, this is not as good a retirement savings vehicle as an RRSP.  What really concerns me is that the Canadian government is not in the habit of giving out gifts to the Canadian tax payer and that is exactly what this account is.  So why did they do it?  To figure that out, let&#039;s look at a few facts about our government.

1. The people who make up the rules only benefit from them for a short peroid of time.  

2. Taxing money in the future isn&#039;t as good for the government as taxing it now.   People in power now would probably prefer the money now rather than in 30 years when they are retired.  

3. The above point is also true from an inflationary point of view.  Look at the tax you can take on $5000 now vs. the tax you can take on that $5000 investment, even after it has grown over 30 years.  If you&#039;re getting an average of 5% on that investment it&#039;d be worth about $22000 in 30 years.  What do you think the tax rates would be on both of those figures would be based on the sccenario of RRSP vs. TFSA?

The way I see it, the government will probably do something like this: 

a)  Let everybody get used to the idea of having a TFSA, some or many will even make use of it.

b)  Announce that they are phasing out the RRSP but because of their generous nature they will allow a portion, or maybe even all of your RRSP to be rolled into your TFSA, without a tax penalty.  

People will jump at this because it&#039;d be an incredible deal.  Not having to pay taxes on your tax free dollars?  Yes please!  But then we&#039;d have screwed it for the future generations and all RRSP contributions will now be TFSA contributions made with after tax dollars.

Maybe I&#039;m just being paranoid and should break out my tin foil sombrero, but I have to ask myself this: &quot;Why on earth would the Canadian government, one that is so fond of taxing it&#039;s citizens to death, suddenly give us a tax free present?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This TFSA worries me.  As you&#8217;ve pointed out, this is not as good a retirement savings vehicle as an RRSP.  What really concerns me is that the Canadian government is not in the habit of giving out gifts to the Canadian tax payer and that is exactly what this account is.  So why did they do it?  To figure that out, let&#8217;s look at a few facts about our government.</p>
<p>1. The people who make up the rules only benefit from them for a short peroid of time.  </p>
<p>2. Taxing money in the future isn&#8217;t as good for the government as taxing it now.   People in power now would probably prefer the money now rather than in 30 years when they are retired.  </p>
<p>3. The above point is also true from an inflationary point of view.  Look at the tax you can take on $5000 now vs. the tax you can take on that $5000 investment, even after it has grown over 30 years.  If you&#8217;re getting an average of 5% on that investment it&#8217;d be worth about $22000 in 30 years.  What do you think the tax rates would be on both of those figures would be based on the sccenario of RRSP vs. TFSA?</p>
<p>The way I see it, the government will probably do something like this: </p>
<p>a)  Let everybody get used to the idea of having a TFSA, some or many will even make use of it.</p>
<p>b)  Announce that they are phasing out the RRSP but because of their generous nature they will allow a portion, or maybe even all of your RRSP to be rolled into your TFSA, without a tax penalty.  </p>
<p>People will jump at this because it&#8217;d be an incredible deal.  Not having to pay taxes on your tax free dollars?  Yes please!  But then we&#8217;d have screwed it for the future generations and all RRSP contributions will now be TFSA contributions made with after tax dollars.</p>
<p>Maybe I&#8217;m just being paranoid and should break out my tin foil sombrero, but I have to ask myself this: &#8220;Why on earth would the Canadian government, one that is so fond of taxing it&#8217;s citizens to death, suddenly give us a tax free present?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Four Pillars</title>
		<link>http://www.four-pillars.ca/2008/02/28/benefits-of-tax-free-savings-account-tfsa/comment-page-1/#comment-9855</link>
		<dc:creator>Four Pillars</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 04:53:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David - you have summed it up perfectly - RRSPs are not a good financial tool for low-income people.

Non-registered accounts (and now TFSA) have always been a better choice for low income investing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David &#8211; you have summed it up perfectly &#8211; RRSPs are not a good financial tool for low-income people.</p>
<p>Non-registered accounts (and now TFSA) have always been a better choice for low income investing.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 03:43:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe I&#039;m one of those people that don&#039;t get how RRSPs are suppose to be a good thing...

As I see it, if you put your money in RRSPs, sooner or later, you have to take it out to spend it.  When you do, it counts as income and you pay taxes on it, and (this is the kicker) you get reduced benefits for all kinds of stuff because you&#039;ve made &quot;that much money.&quot;  For example, my 80 year old father gets $800 or so in pension, but another $550 or so in GAIN, because his pension is too small.  If he took any money out of RRSPs, or whatever they had to be converted into, he&#039;s loose the GAIN, and the subsidy for his Assisted Living place, and... (it&#039;s a long list).  So, he would have to take out probably over $10 or more per year before he had any extra money to spend.  His effective taxes would be huge.

But, if I manage to put away $5k per year in this TFSP thing for the next 20 years, then I&#039;ll have $100k (in today&#039;s dollars, assuming the interest keeps up with inflation).  But, the bonus is that I can take this out, or the interest earned on it, and spend it at any time without it being counted as income.  I will continue to get whatever low-income subsidies that I manage to qualify for.  I&#039;d be technically poor, getting any available government assistance, but still have $100K in the bank, just for fun.

Sure, for people that intend to retire rich, RRSPs may make more sense.  But, for us regular folk that will likely get income support in our old age, these TFSAs seem to make a whole lot of sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe I&#8217;m one of those people that don&#8217;t get how RRSPs are suppose to be a good thing&#8230;</p>
<p>As I see it, if you put your money in RRSPs, sooner or later, you have to take it out to spend it.  When you do, it counts as income and you pay taxes on it, and (this is the kicker) you get reduced benefits for all kinds of stuff because you&#8217;ve made &#8220;that much money.&#8221;  For example, my 80 year old father gets $800 or so in pension, but another $550 or so in GAIN, because his pension is too small.  If he took any money out of RRSPs, or whatever they had to be converted into, he&#8217;s loose the GAIN, and the subsidy for his Assisted Living place, and&#8230; (it&#8217;s a long list).  So, he would have to take out probably over $10 or more per year before he had any extra money to spend.  His effective taxes would be huge.</p>
<p>But, if I manage to put away $5k per year in this TFSP thing for the next 20 years, then I&#8217;ll have $100k (in today&#8217;s dollars, assuming the interest keeps up with inflation).  But, the bonus is that I can take this out, or the interest earned on it, and spend it at any time without it being counted as income.  I will continue to get whatever low-income subsidies that I manage to qualify for.  I&#8217;d be technically poor, getting any available government assistance, but still have $100K in the bank, just for fun.</p>
<p>Sure, for people that intend to retire rich, RRSPs may make more sense.  But, for us regular folk that will likely get income support in our old age, these TFSAs seem to make a whole lot of sense.</p>
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		<title>By: This and That</title>
		<link>http://www.four-pillars.ca/2008/02/28/benefits-of-tax-free-savings-account-tfsa/comment-page-1/#comment-4242</link>
		<dc:creator>This and That</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 01:23:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] reaction from Million Dollar Journey, Four Pillars, Thicken My Wallet and Financial [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Sunday Money Roundup - Record Breaking Edition. &#124; My Two Dollars</title>
		<link>http://www.four-pillars.ca/2008/02/28/benefits-of-tax-free-savings-account-tfsa/comment-page-1/#comment-4163</link>
		<dc:creator>Sunday Money Roundup - Record Breaking Edition. &#124; My Two Dollars</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Mar 2008 15:03:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Four Pillars talks about a new tax savings account in Canada called the Tax Free Savings Account (TFSA) [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Four Pillars</title>
		<link>http://www.four-pillars.ca/2008/02/28/benefits-of-tax-free-savings-account-tfsa/comment-page-1/#comment-4116</link>
		<dc:creator>Four Pillars</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 01:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nobleea - I think one is enough!  :)

MG - thanks.  Yes, the TFSA is a useful tool for just about everyone to utilize in some way.

Mike</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nobleea &#8211; I think one is enough!  <img src='http://www.four-pillars.ca/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>MG &#8211; thanks.  Yes, the TFSA is a useful tool for just about everyone to utilize in some way.</p>
<p>Mike</p>
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		<title>By: moneygardener</title>
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		<dc:creator>moneygardener</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 23:13:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post 4P.  I agree with most of your assessments.  I will certainly be using the maximum TFSA amount every year for my wife and I.  It would really make no sense for me not to use the TFSA to it&#039;s maximum because I invest quite a bit into a non-reg. account currently.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post 4P.  I agree with most of your assessments.  I will certainly be using the maximum TFSA amount every year for my wife and I.  It would really make no sense for me not to use the TFSA to it&#8217;s maximum because I invest quite a bit into a non-reg. account currently.</p>
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