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		<title>By: 107 Things That Make Good Financial Cents &#124; Good Financial Cents -Jeff Rose Certified Financial Planner and Investment Advisor, Carbondale, Illinois</title>
		<link>http://www.four-pillars.ca/2008/05/08/zero-down-payment-on-a-house-is-just-fine/comment-page-1/#comment-19211</link>
		<dc:creator>107 Things That Make Good Financial Cents &#124; Good Financial Cents -Jeff Rose Certified Financial Planner and Investment Advisor, Carbondale, Illinois</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 09:37:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Don&#8217;t blindly follow financial rules of thumb. Your mortgage payments will determine how affordable your house is. A large down payment is preferable but if the payments are ok then zero down payment on a house is just fine. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Don&#8217;t blindly follow financial rules of thumb. Your mortgage payments will determine how affordable your house is. A large down payment is preferable but if the payments are ok then zero down payment on a house is just fine. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Earthship Homes, Chrysler Gas Ad, Stimulus Check and More!</title>
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		<dc:creator>Earthship Homes, Chrysler Gas Ad, Stimulus Check and More!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 13:30:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Zero Down Payment On A House Is Just Fine at Quest for Four Pillars [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Carnival of Personal Finance #152 &#8212; Money Under 30</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carnival of Personal Finance #152 &#8212; Money Under 30</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 03:00:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Kyle from Amateur Asset Allocator takes a look at the attributes of a good dividend stock. Four Pillars from Quest For Four Pillars explains why zero down payment on a house is just fine. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Weekly Dividend Investing Roundup - May 10, 2008 &#187; The Dividend Guy Blog</title>
		<link>http://www.four-pillars.ca/2008/05/08/zero-down-payment-on-a-house-is-just-fine/comment-page-1/#comment-5762</link>
		<dc:creator>Weekly Dividend Investing Roundup - May 10, 2008 &#187; The Dividend Guy Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 03:38:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] made a down-payment on our house - was it [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Canadian Personal Finance Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Random Thoughts</title>
		<link>http://www.four-pillars.ca/2008/05/08/zero-down-payment-on-a-house-is-just-fine/comment-page-1/#comment-5739</link>
		<dc:creator>Canadian Personal Finance Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Random Thoughts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 10:56:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Quest for Four Pillars states boldly Zero Down Payment On a House is Just Fine, which on the surface sounds wacky to me, but the article isn&#8217;t espousing buying houses you [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Four Pillars</title>
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		<dc:creator>Four Pillars</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 19:49:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lots of comments!  For the record I do think having a big down payment is better - a 100% down payment is the best!

Emily - but you are a smarty pants!

PT - sounds like you bought something you could afford - which is a good thing!

Enough Wealth - I don&#039;t disagree with that point.

Pete - the insurance is a great reason for a down payment.  When I bought my first house I didn&#039;t have 25% so I had to pay $3700 in extra insurance which still rankles me to this day.

Investizmo - the amount of interest paid on the initial payment is determined by the amortization (ie 25 years) rather than the size of the down payment.  Also - walking away from the house is only an option in the U.S. and even there I understand it&#039;s only certain states that allow you to walk without recourse.

Nurse - if you have a 40% down payment then clearly you aren&#039;t buying enough house. :)  Seriously, congrats on the big DP.

Kyle - I agree.

Cheap - see previous comments - I completely agree.

Nobleea - interesting thought about chasing returns - I never thought of it that way before.

Al - too bad most house buyers don&#039;t think like that.

Derek - I don&#039;t agree with you because you are ignoring all the extra costs with owning a house ie taxes, maintenance.  What if you rented and invested the difference?  Which method will work out better?

Siddharth - no down payment is indeed a lending practice that should be only be allowed under certain circumstances.  Unfortunately, everyone and their brother took advantage of it.

Mike</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lots of comments!  For the record I do think having a big down payment is better &#8211; a 100% down payment is the best!</p>
<p>Emily &#8211; but you are a smarty pants!</p>
<p>PT &#8211; sounds like you bought something you could afford &#8211; which is a good thing!</p>
<p>Enough Wealth &#8211; I don&#8217;t disagree with that point.</p>
<p>Pete &#8211; the insurance is a great reason for a down payment.  When I bought my first house I didn&#8217;t have 25% so I had to pay $3700 in extra insurance which still rankles me to this day.</p>
<p>Investizmo &#8211; the amount of interest paid on the initial payment is determined by the amortization (ie 25 years) rather than the size of the down payment.  Also &#8211; walking away from the house is only an option in the U.S. and even there I understand it&#8217;s only certain states that allow you to walk without recourse.</p>
<p>Nurse &#8211; if you have a 40% down payment then clearly you aren&#8217;t buying enough house. <img src='http://www.four-pillars.ca/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   Seriously, congrats on the big DP.</p>
<p>Kyle &#8211; I agree.</p>
<p>Cheap &#8211; see previous comments &#8211; I completely agree.</p>
<p>Nobleea &#8211; interesting thought about chasing returns &#8211; I never thought of it that way before.</p>
<p>Al &#8211; too bad most house buyers don&#8217;t think like that.</p>
<p>Derek &#8211; I don&#8217;t agree with you because you are ignoring all the extra costs with owning a house ie taxes, maintenance.  What if you rented and invested the difference?  Which method will work out better?</p>
<p>Siddharth &#8211; no down payment is indeed a lending practice that should be only be allowed under certain circumstances.  Unfortunately, everyone and their brother took advantage of it.</p>
<p>Mike</p>
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		<title>By: Siddharth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Siddharth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 17:18:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The context of the blob was to relate the downpayment to the subprime problem that the financial markets are in now.

I do think that poor lending practicises like allowing people to own home with 0 or very less equity is one of the problem in the first place.

By having such lending practises the home owner basically made the mistake of over paying for a home.  Which is the reason why the home prices in US were zooming in the 4 years prior to late 2005 or early 2006.

Now when the home prices started to slide down the home owner with little down payment or the Investor with little down payment and looking for capital gains from trading the property decided to cut the losses.   When there are more sellers it becomes a buyers market and the prices fall further  causing such people to move more into debt and eventually foreclosures.

Hence the amount of downpayment (larger) will have had a lesser imapct on the housing and the mortgage markets</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The context of the blob was to relate the downpayment to the subprime problem that the financial markets are in now.</p>
<p>I do think that poor lending practicises like allowing people to own home with 0 or very less equity is one of the problem in the first place.</p>
<p>By having such lending practises the home owner basically made the mistake of over paying for a home.  Which is the reason why the home prices in US were zooming in the 4 years prior to late 2005 or early 2006.</p>
<p>Now when the home prices started to slide down the home owner with little down payment or the Investor with little down payment and looking for capital gains from trading the property decided to cut the losses.   When there are more sellers it becomes a buyers market and the prices fall further  causing such people to move more into debt and eventually foreclosures.</p>
<p>Hence the amount of downpayment (larger) will have had a lesser imapct on the housing and the mortgage markets</p>
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		<title>By: Derek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Derek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 16:58:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One thing to consider is that if you are currently renting and thinking of buying a house, is that if you can get the place and pay the same amount per month as you do in rent it would be better to buy even if you get an interest only mortgage.  Since over time your rent will go up but your mortgage payment will not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing to consider is that if you are currently renting and thinking of buying a house, is that if you can get the place and pay the same amount per month as you do in rent it would be better to buy even if you get an interest only mortgage.  Since over time your rent will go up but your mortgage payment will not.</p>
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		<title>By: Al</title>
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		<dc:creator>Al</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 16:09:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with FP that down payments don&#039;t mean anything if you buy a more expensive house because you have it.   But this isn&#039;t the way people should be buying houses.

If someone has fixed payments and purchase price in mind when they go house hunting, then the a downpayment reduces the amortization period.  That&#039;s where the value lies.  Shorter amortization mean more going to principal and less to interest.  

I don&#039;t like the mortgage calculators that don&#039;t show the total interest paid.  People should understand the full cost of a mortgage and how much extending the amortization hurts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with FP that down payments don&#8217;t mean anything if you buy a more expensive house because you have it.   But this isn&#8217;t the way people should be buying houses.</p>
<p>If someone has fixed payments and purchase price in mind when they go house hunting, then the a downpayment reduces the amortization period.  That&#8217;s where the value lies.  Shorter amortization mean more going to principal and less to interest.  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t like the mortgage calculators that don&#8217;t show the total interest paid.  People should understand the full cost of a mortgage and how much extending the amortization hurts.</p>
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		<title>By: Nobleea</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nobleea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 15:01:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to agree with FP.  Though, if you&#039;re strictly focused on the monthly payment and picking one you can afford, who&#039;s to say some won&#039;t start looking at longer ammortizations?

I don&#039;t think having no equity in a home makes you more likely to bail.  Pretty much everyone who&#039;s bought a car new has no equity in it, but you don&#039;t see anyone foreclosing on them.  Because you need a car (well, that&#039;s debateable), and because you can afford the payment.

People are essentially chasing returns when they get rid of a house because they have no equity in it.  They&#039;ve come to believe that houses are investments, and now they&#039;re showing  a paper loss, so better move to something better.  If you stop thinking of houses as investments (and more like savings plans), then you&#039;ll care less about how much your house value has gone down (and conversely, how much it&#039;s gone up).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to agree with FP.  Though, if you&#8217;re strictly focused on the monthly payment and picking one you can afford, who&#8217;s to say some won&#8217;t start looking at longer ammortizations?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think having no equity in a home makes you more likely to bail.  Pretty much everyone who&#8217;s bought a car new has no equity in it, but you don&#8217;t see anyone foreclosing on them.  Because you need a car (well, that&#8217;s debateable), and because you can afford the payment.</p>
<p>People are essentially chasing returns when they get rid of a house because they have no equity in it.  They&#8217;ve come to believe that houses are investments, and now they&#8217;re showing  a paper loss, so better move to something better.  If you stop thinking of houses as investments (and more like savings plans), then you&#8217;ll care less about how much your house value has gone down (and conversely, how much it&#8217;s gone up).</p>
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