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		<title>By: We Have A Winner - WordPress for Dummies Edition &#124; The Wisdom Journal</title>
		<link>http://www.four-pillars.ca/2008/07/30/dreamkillers/comment-page-1/#comment-7456</link>
		<dc:creator>We Have A Winner - WordPress for Dummies Edition &#124; The Wisdom Journal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 05:13:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] are a couple of their posts that I have particularly liked: Buying what you know. Dreamkillers. How to increase the odds of getting anything you want. Why are some parents morons? How to become [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Weekly Roundup - Opening Ceremonies Edition</title>
		<link>http://www.four-pillars.ca/2008/07/30/dreamkillers/comment-page-1/#comment-7343</link>
		<dc:creator>Weekly Roundup - Opening Ceremonies Edition</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Aug 2008 16:30:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Four Pillars writes that Multi-Level Marketing schemes are dreamkillers. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: MITBeta @ Don't Feed The Alligators</title>
		<link>http://www.four-pillars.ca/2008/07/30/dreamkillers/comment-page-1/#comment-7342</link>
		<dc:creator>MITBeta @ Don't Feed The Alligators</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Aug 2008 15:33:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, it looks like we read the same thing.  Parents can have firm ideas all they want, but after a certain point in their children&#039;s lives they have to let them find their own way, otherwise you wind up with the kind of resentment you see in this letter.  

Parents can only raise their children and hope that they instill the values and good judgement that they hope their adult children will espouse, but if they fail in this respect, they have to give up the battle unless asked for help.  Most people don&#039;t appreciate unsolicited advice, and most people don&#039;t like to hear that advice over and over again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, it looks like we read the same thing.  Parents can have firm ideas all they want, but after a certain point in their children&#8217;s lives they have to let them find their own way, otherwise you wind up with the kind of resentment you see in this letter.  </p>
<p>Parents can only raise their children and hope that they instill the values and good judgement that they hope their adult children will espouse, but if they fail in this respect, they have to give up the battle unless asked for help.  Most people don&#8217;t appreciate unsolicited advice, and most people don&#8217;t like to hear that advice over and over again.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Cheap</title>
		<link>http://www.four-pillars.ca/2008/07/30/dreamkillers/comment-page-1/#comment-7339</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr. Cheap</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Aug 2008 00:29:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MITBeta:  Yeah, that&#039;s what I got from her letter too:  the MLM experience was in the past but her parents still bring it up and her current venture doesn&#039;t have anything to do MLM...   

&lt;grin&gt; I think there was some misreading going on but perhaps not by me? ;-)

I&#039;m glad you&#039;re on better terms with your father now.  That&#039;s always a good thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MITBeta:  Yeah, that&#8217;s what I got from her letter too:  the MLM experience was in the past but her parents still bring it up and her current venture doesn&#8217;t have anything to do MLM&#8230;   </p>
<p><grin> I think there was some misreading going on but perhaps not by me? <img src='http://www.four-pillars.ca/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad you&#8217;re on better terms with your father now.  That&#8217;s always a good thing.</grin></p>
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		<title>By: MITBeta @ Don't Feed The Alligators</title>
		<link>http://www.four-pillars.ca/2008/07/30/dreamkillers/comment-page-1/#comment-7338</link>
		<dc:creator>MITBeta @ Don't Feed The Alligators</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2008 23:40:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I read in your analysis is that the woman was upset about her parents warning her off of MLM and suggesting other businesses.  What I read in the letter is that her parents don&#039;t respect her decision to run a home based business (not MLM, it would seem) and show it by asking her to do things when she should otherwise be working and by continually suggesting other business opportunities that probably don&#039;t make any sense.

I have not been called a failure, and my dad has backed off in recent years, but people communicate in ways that are not necessarily verbal, and it was some time before my dad &quot;got it&quot; that 1. a graduate degree isn&#039;t the be-all, end-all of life, and 2. if I was ever going to get one (and I may yet), it would be on my terms, not his.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I read in your analysis is that the woman was upset about her parents warning her off of MLM and suggesting other businesses.  What I read in the letter is that her parents don&#8217;t respect her decision to run a home based business (not MLM, it would seem) and show it by asking her to do things when she should otherwise be working and by continually suggesting other business opportunities that probably don&#8217;t make any sense.</p>
<p>I have not been called a failure, and my dad has backed off in recent years, but people communicate in ways that are not necessarily verbal, and it was some time before my dad &#8220;got it&#8221; that 1. a graduate degree isn&#8217;t the be-all, end-all of life, and 2. if I was ever going to get one (and I may yet), it would be on my terms, not his.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Cheap</title>
		<link>http://www.four-pillars.ca/2008/07/30/dreamkillers/comment-page-1/#comment-7331</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr. Cheap</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2008 15:34:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MITBeta:  Yes, that&#039;s how I read it to, what part did you think I misread? 

Parents often have firm ideas about what they want for their kids, but sometimes kids over-react to the &quot;extreme encouragement&quot;.  Has your father actually called you a failure, or is it just that you don&#039;t like that he&#039;s encouraging you to do something different than what you&#039;re doing?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MITBeta:  Yes, that&#8217;s how I read it to, what part did you think I misread? </p>
<p>Parents often have firm ideas about what they want for their kids, but sometimes kids over-react to the &#8220;extreme encouragement&#8221;.  Has your father actually called you a failure, or is it just that you don&#8217;t like that he&#8217;s encouraging you to do something different than what you&#8217;re doing?</p>
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		<title>By: MITBeta @ Don't Feed The Alligators</title>
		<link>http://www.four-pillars.ca/2008/07/30/dreamkillers/comment-page-1/#comment-7330</link>
		<dc:creator>MITBeta @ Don't Feed The Alligators</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2008 14:37:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you misread the letter.  She says that her parents were against her MLM, which she admits failed, but that she now has another business that her parents don&#039;t respect, which is why they are always suggesting other &quot;schemes&quot; like opening a restaurant.

This is very much like my dad who seemed for a long time to see me as a &quot;failure&quot; because I didn&#039;t get a masters degree like my brothers did.  &quot;When are you going back to school?&quot; he asked for many years, not realizing that I was doing just fine without those extra letters after my name...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you misread the letter.  She says that her parents were against her MLM, which she admits failed, but that she now has another business that her parents don&#8217;t respect, which is why they are always suggesting other &#8220;schemes&#8221; like opening a restaurant.</p>
<p>This is very much like my dad who seemed for a long time to see me as a &#8220;failure&#8221; because I didn&#8217;t get a masters degree like my brothers did.  &#8220;When are you going back to school?&#8221; he asked for many years, not realizing that I was doing just fine without those extra letters after my name&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: squawkfox &#187; Waiting for your eBook? Link Love Oh My!</title>
		<link>http://www.four-pillars.ca/2008/07/30/dreamkillers/comment-page-1/#comment-7317</link>
		<dc:creator>squawkfox &#187; Waiting for your eBook? Link Love Oh My!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 19:11:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Quest for Four Pillars writes on multi-level marketing in Dreamkillers. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Quest for Four Pillars writes on multi-level marketing in Dreamkillers. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Friday Linkfest: Camping Edition &#124; beingfrugal.net</title>
		<link>http://www.four-pillars.ca/2008/07/30/dreamkillers/comment-page-1/#comment-7305</link>
		<dc:creator>Friday Linkfest: Camping Edition &#124; beingfrugal.net</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 11:02:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Dreamkillers at Quest for Four Pillars [...]</description>
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		<title>By: MoneyEnergy</title>
		<link>http://www.four-pillars.ca/2008/07/30/dreamkillers/comment-page-1/#comment-7273</link>
		<dc:creator>MoneyEnergy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 16:55:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article, well written.  But in response to one of the comments, I&#039;d have to say that I would not call the various MLM companies &quot;scams.&quot;  I reserve that word for companies operating illegally or cases of outright lies.  Certainly there&#039;s nothing in the structure of Avon or Mona Vie that seems to be like that.  I would just want to emphasize this for people.  

Also, as to the whole &quot;the people at the top get to make the money and the people at the bottom end up paying the money,&quot; well, this is basically how our whole capitalist system works, so, we can&#039;t really hold that against the MLMs.  They&#039;re just mirrors of the capitalist hierarchies that are everywhere else around us.

That said, I can vouch from my own experience with some of these companies that the comments about cults are true from an experiential perspective.   You do feel isolated, because no one else understands... etc etc.  It&#039;s hard.  There is no easy answer.  Each person has to learn for themself what the experience will mean to them.  For some people, these are great business opportunities.

I just wish that such business-workers/salespeople would work at developing sincere relationships outside of their business.  There&#039;s nothing smarmier than being approached in a &quot;Friendly&quot; way by someone trying to befriend you but it drips with &quot;hey someday maybe you&#039;ll be in my downline.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article, well written.  But in response to one of the comments, I&#8217;d have to say that I would not call the various MLM companies &#8220;scams.&#8221;  I reserve that word for companies operating illegally or cases of outright lies.  Certainly there&#8217;s nothing in the structure of Avon or Mona Vie that seems to be like that.  I would just want to emphasize this for people.  </p>
<p>Also, as to the whole &#8220;the people at the top get to make the money and the people at the bottom end up paying the money,&#8221; well, this is basically how our whole capitalist system works, so, we can&#8217;t really hold that against the MLMs.  They&#8217;re just mirrors of the capitalist hierarchies that are everywhere else around us.</p>
<p>That said, I can vouch from my own experience with some of these companies that the comments about cults are true from an experiential perspective.   You do feel isolated, because no one else understands&#8230; etc etc.  It&#8217;s hard.  There is no easy answer.  Each person has to learn for themself what the experience will mean to them.  For some people, these are great business opportunities.</p>
<p>I just wish that such business-workers/salespeople would work at developing sincere relationships outside of their business.  There&#8217;s nothing smarmier than being approached in a &#8220;Friendly&#8221; way by someone trying to befriend you but it drips with &#8220;hey someday maybe you&#8217;ll be in my downline.&#8221;</p>
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