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		<title>By: Mr. Cheap</title>
		<link>http://www.four-pillars.ca/2008/09/26/how-to-clone-yourself/comment-page-1/#comment-8193</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr. Cheap</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 15:48:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DGI:  Sorry, I should have been more clear in my post, these ideas came from small business owners I&#039;ve talked to, NOT from &quot;The E-Myth&quot; (which advocated something entirely different).  I just mentioned the E-Myth as it talks about the same problem (growing businesses running their owners ragged with ever increasing demands).

You make a good point, but the &quot;clone&quot; part maybe doesn&#039;t stretch as far as you&#039;re supposing.  Your clone isn&#039;t going to like the same food as you or adopt the same religious and political views.  You&#039;re teaching them a certain way of handling business problems, through a hands-on &quot;master / apprentice&quot; style of teaching.  This is very good at helping them learn how YOU do things, and do things in the same way.  It isn&#039;t necessarily going to give them the drive / interest to start their own business (since you&#039;ll have already done this long before you met them, you&#039;ll be working with them to run the business you&#039;ve already created).

It definitely is a danger when entrepreneurs hire people who are also very entrepreneurial (especially if they see a lot of themselves in the new hire).  As you say, these are the people who are likely going to want to start their OWN company instead of growing yours at some point in the future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DGI:  Sorry, I should have been more clear in my post, these ideas came from small business owners I&#8217;ve talked to, NOT from &#8220;The E-Myth&#8221; (which advocated something entirely different).  I just mentioned the E-Myth as it talks about the same problem (growing businesses running their owners ragged with ever increasing demands).</p>
<p>You make a good point, but the &#8220;clone&#8221; part maybe doesn&#8217;t stretch as far as you&#8217;re supposing.  Your clone isn&#8217;t going to like the same food as you or adopt the same religious and political views.  You&#8217;re teaching them a certain way of handling business problems, through a hands-on &#8220;master / apprentice&#8221; style of teaching.  This is very good at helping them learn how YOU do things, and do things in the same way.  It isn&#8217;t necessarily going to give them the drive / interest to start their own business (since you&#8217;ll have already done this long before you met them, you&#8217;ll be working with them to run the business you&#8217;ve already created).</p>
<p>It definitely is a danger when entrepreneurs hire people who are also very entrepreneurial (especially if they see a lot of themselves in the new hire).  As you say, these are the people who are likely going to want to start their OWN company instead of growing yours at some point in the future.</p>
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		<title>By: Dividend Growth Investor</title>
		<link>http://www.four-pillars.ca/2008/09/26/how-to-clone-yourself/comment-page-1/#comment-8191</link>
		<dc:creator>Dividend Growth Investor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 14:56:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would like to be the one who doesn&#039;t agree with the post just to see where this could get us.

I believe that most business owners work for themselves because they didn&#039;t like working for someone else and get into that whole corporate thing where you have to be political to move up, network with your superiors etc etc.
In order to be in charge of his/her own destiny the entrepreneur works on his own by starting his/her own business.  If they train someone else to do their job, what&#039;s the chance of that new hire ( or bunch of hires) stealing the business model or customers and then starting a business of their own?
Or why should the business owner start hiring  people and create a corporate culture that he/she doesn&#039;t enjoy when they actually  started the business in order to escape from it ( the corporate culture)?

Just because in the theoretical world of business books it says to delegate, delegating should be done very very carefully.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like to be the one who doesn&#8217;t agree with the post just to see where this could get us.</p>
<p>I believe that most business owners work for themselves because they didn&#8217;t like working for someone else and get into that whole corporate thing where you have to be political to move up, network with your superiors etc etc.<br />
In order to be in charge of his/her own destiny the entrepreneur works on his own by starting his/her own business.  If they train someone else to do their job, what&#8217;s the chance of that new hire ( or bunch of hires) stealing the business model or customers and then starting a business of their own?<br />
Or why should the business owner start hiring  people and create a corporate culture that he/she doesn&#8217;t enjoy when they actually  started the business in order to escape from it ( the corporate culture)?</p>
<p>Just because in the theoretical world of business books it says to delegate, delegating should be done very very carefully.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Cheap</title>
		<link>http://www.four-pillars.ca/2008/09/26/how-to-clone-yourself/comment-page-1/#comment-8177</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr. Cheap</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 01:40:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nobleea:  Yes, I&#039;ve definitely heard similar things from other managers.  I think oftenmanagers are more attracted to the idea that its easy to make the young hires do what they want rather than molding them into an integral part of the business.

Gates &amp; TMW:  yes, you&#039;re both absolutely right.  I don&#039;t think its an either / or situation though (you can hire people to enhance the business by bringing new skills to the table, AND hire people who learn to do what you do the way you do it)

TStrumpt:  I think you&#039;re right.  

Jake:  &quot;Good help is hard to find&quot; as all super-
villains like to say ;-)

fathersez:  I think so (about how to treat people).  Plus their&#039;s a selfish component too, if people stick around you don&#039;t have to spend the time/money hiring and training new people!

I agree, MG&#039;s main lesson was about &quot;system&quot;-ising processes  (I was going to discuss it further, but thought it might be at odds with the rest of the post - why create processes anyone can follow, then train someone to think the way you do?).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nobleea:  Yes, I&#8217;ve definitely heard similar things from other managers.  I think oftenmanagers are more attracted to the idea that its easy to make the young hires do what they want rather than molding them into an integral part of the business.</p>
<p>Gates &#038; TMW:  yes, you&#8217;re both absolutely right.  I don&#8217;t think its an either / or situation though (you can hire people to enhance the business by bringing new skills to the table, AND hire people who learn to do what you do the way you do it)</p>
<p>TStrumpt:  I think you&#8217;re right.  </p>
<p>Jake:  &#8220;Good help is hard to find&#8221; as all super-<br />
villains like to say <img src='http://www.four-pillars.ca/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>fathersez:  I think so (about how to treat people).  Plus their&#8217;s a selfish component too, if people stick around you don&#8217;t have to spend the time/money hiring and training new people!</p>
<p>I agree, MG&#8217;s main lesson was about &#8220;system&#8221;-ising processes  (I was going to discuss it further, but thought it might be at odds with the rest of the post &#8211; why create processes anyone can follow, then train someone to think the way you do?).</p>
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		<title>By: fathersez</title>
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		<dc:creator>fathersez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2008 14:34:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like your basis of keeping people. Treating them the way we would want to be treated. After all everyone has more or less similar dreams.

Still I thought that one of MG&#039;s main lessons was to meticulously document and systemise all processes, so that no one becomes indispensable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like your basis of keeping people. Treating them the way we would want to be treated. After all everyone has more or less similar dreams.</p>
<p>Still I thought that one of MG&#8217;s main lessons was to meticulously document and systemise all processes, so that no one becomes indispensable.</p>
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		<title>By: Jake</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 09:06:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve never created a clone but good post Mr.Cheap.  The Veteran Employees have already proven they aren&#039;t the ones for the job or else you wouldn&#039;t be searching for a clone in the first place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve never created a clone but good post Mr.Cheap.  The Veteran Employees have already proven they aren&#8217;t the ones for the job or else you wouldn&#8217;t be searching for a clone in the first place.</p>
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		<title>By: Roundup and Link Love - Economic Meltdown Edition &#124; The Wisdom Journal</title>
		<link>http://www.four-pillars.ca/2008/09/26/how-to-clone-yourself/comment-page-1/#comment-8170</link>
		<dc:creator>Roundup and Link Love - Economic Meltdown Edition &#124; The Wisdom Journal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 05:07:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] happens when a bank fails @ My Two Dollars 6 ways to get intense about your finances @ PT Money How to clone yourself @ Quest for Four Pillars Time your vacations to get the best deals @ One Caveman&#8217;s Financial [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] happens when a bank fails @ My Two Dollars 6 ways to get intense about your finances @ PT Money How to clone yourself @ Quest for Four Pillars Time your vacations to get the best deals @ One Caveman&#8217;s Financial [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Thicken My Wallet</title>
		<link>http://www.four-pillars.ca/2008/09/26/how-to-clone-yourself/comment-page-1/#comment-8169</link>
		<dc:creator>Thicken My Wallet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 03:38:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having advised small businesses in a previous life, one of the larger issues is recognition that the cost of hiring someone will pay for itself in spades. Too many small business owners complain they need help but then will not allocate any or adequate resources to hire someone. 

I also agree with Gates VP. The first people you hire should be different than you. If you are the technician, hire a sales person. If you are a sales person, hire an operator etc. etc. 

One general rule in building a team is having on board is someone who knows the product, someone who can sell it and someone who can grow it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having advised small businesses in a previous life, one of the larger issues is recognition that the cost of hiring someone will pay for itself in spades. Too many small business owners complain they need help but then will not allocate any or adequate resources to hire someone. </p>
<p>I also agree with Gates VP. The first people you hire should be different than you. If you are the technician, hire a sales person. If you are a sales person, hire an operator etc. etc. </p>
<p>One general rule in building a team is having on board is someone who knows the product, someone who can sell it and someone who can grow it.</p>
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		<title>By: TStrump</title>
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		<dc:creator>TStrump</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 03:27:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Being an accountant, I&#039;ve seen so many business fail time and time again or they don&#039;t grow as big as they can get because the owner can&#039;t let go or doesn&#039;t trust anyone.
Business owners just have to learn NOT to micromanage, let go, and trust the person they&#039;ve hired to be their &#039;clone&#039;
It&#039;s all about training and mentoring.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Being an accountant, I&#8217;ve seen so many business fail time and time again or they don&#8217;t grow as big as they can get because the owner can&#8217;t let go or doesn&#8217;t trust anyone.<br />
Business owners just have to learn NOT to micromanage, let go, and trust the person they&#8217;ve hired to be their &#8216;clone&#8217;<br />
It&#8217;s all about training and mentoring.</p>
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		<title>By: Gates VP</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gates VP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 19:04:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m working in this type of business, that&#039;s going from small to large at 100 miles / hour. Watching multiple departments split and clone and various such things. 

The office is filled with 20-somethings held together by a few vets in each department.  One of the things that&#039;s become very apparent is that variety is important. It&#039;s easy to believe that we need &quot;one more person just like me&quot;, but the businesses I&#039;ve seen typically need one more person who&#039;s &quot;good at the things I suck at&quot;.  It sounds like marriage, it kind of is :)

There&#039;s definitely a benefit to having some shared background and experience, but if I wanted to add an &quot;apprentice&quot; to my office I would add somebody who can do things I can&#039;t to help fill in the gaps.  

Of course YMMV :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m working in this type of business, that&#8217;s going from small to large at 100 miles / hour. Watching multiple departments split and clone and various such things. </p>
<p>The office is filled with 20-somethings held together by a few vets in each department.  One of the things that&#8217;s become very apparent is that variety is important. It&#8217;s easy to believe that we need &#8220;one more person just like me&#8221;, but the businesses I&#8217;ve seen typically need one more person who&#8217;s &#8220;good at the things I suck at&#8221;.  It sounds like marriage, it kind of is <img src='http://www.four-pillars.ca/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>There&#8217;s definitely a benefit to having some shared background and experience, but if I wanted to add an &#8220;apprentice&#8221; to my office I would add somebody who can do things I can&#8217;t to help fill in the gaps.  </p>
<p>Of course YMMV <img src='http://www.four-pillars.ca/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: nobleea</title>
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		<dc:creator>nobleea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 15:02:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>my boss likes to say that the young hires are &#039;impressionable&#039; and &#039;mold-able&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>my boss likes to say that the young hires are &#8216;impressionable&#8217; and &#8216;mold-able&#8217;.</p>
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