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		<title>By: Thicken My Wallet &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Effective negotiation strategies: does nice actually work?</title>
		<link>http://www.four-pillars.ca/2009/02/26/selfish-reasons-to-be-a-good-landlord/comment-page-1/#comment-41827</link>
		<dc:creator>Thicken My Wallet &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Effective negotiation strategies: does nice actually work?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 08:48:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] check call because he found him to be nice.   Correspondingly, as Four Pillars pointed out, tenants of rental properties are more likely to stay if the landlord is nice too. But, as anyone who has rented from or worked [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] check call because he found him to be nice.   Correspondingly, as Four Pillars pointed out, tenants of rental properties are more likely to stay if the landlord is nice too. But, as anyone who has rented from or worked [...]</p>
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		<title>By: This and That: Warren Buffett Marathon edition</title>
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		<dc:creator>This and That: Warren Buffett Marathon edition</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 04:04:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Mr. Cheap has some selfish reasons for being a good landlord. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: -&#62; It&#8217;s Been An Amazing Year For Bible Money Matters! Post Roundup &#124; Bible Money Matters</title>
		<link>http://www.four-pillars.ca/2009/02/26/selfish-reasons-to-be-a-good-landlord/comment-page-1/#comment-11534</link>
		<dc:creator>-&#62; It&#8217;s Been An Amazing Year For Bible Money Matters! Post Roundup &#124; Bible Money Matters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 15:57:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Selfish Reasons To Be A Good Landlord @ four-pillars.ca [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Weekend Investment Reading - Citi to the Rescue &#124; Investing School</title>
		<link>http://www.four-pillars.ca/2009/02/26/selfish-reasons-to-be-a-good-landlord/comment-page-1/#comment-11405</link>
		<dc:creator>Weekend Investment Reading - Citi to the Rescue &#124; Investing School</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 17:27:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Pillars have a great post on why you need to be a good landlord.  A great read for me because I&#8217;m thinking of eventually becoming [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Four Pillars</title>
		<link>http://www.four-pillars.ca/2009/02/26/selfish-reasons-to-be-a-good-landlord/comment-page-1/#comment-11393</link>
		<dc:creator>Four Pillars</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 03:06:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark - I just rescued your comment from the sin bin.  

That&#039;s a pretty bad tenant!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark &#8211; I just rescued your comment from the sin bin.  </p>
<p>That&#8217;s a pretty bad tenant!</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://www.four-pillars.ca/2009/02/26/selfish-reasons-to-be-a-good-landlord/comment-page-1/#comment-11386</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 18:33:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The tribunal (i&#039;ve never been, but my law friend hates bad landlords has) and they typically don&#039;t impose fines from his experience. They tent to err on the side of stating rent that has to either be returned to the tenant but some (most?) of the time if the tenant wants to stay they will give the tenant a rent abatement period (that removes the risk the tenant doesn&#039;t get money back from the landlord). This is all general of course.

Smart counter move stating you are interested in renting our your primary residence and to move into the other unit. That would work, but as a tenant, i woudl argue in front of the tribunal that I should only be given my 60 days on or after you&#039;ve signed arms-length tenants to your &#039;new&#039; rental unit. That would be an interesting scenario to see how the judge would rule.  

The other side of the coin is that if the tenants are indeed violating the lease, you as a landlord can just as easily approach the tribunal asking to evict the tenants. If the tenants are guilty you should probably win an eviction order.  Probably slightly easier than moving in for a few months!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The tribunal (i&#8217;ve never been, but my law friend hates bad landlords has) and they typically don&#8217;t impose fines from his experience. They tent to err on the side of stating rent that has to either be returned to the tenant but some (most?) of the time if the tenant wants to stay they will give the tenant a rent abatement period (that removes the risk the tenant doesn&#8217;t get money back from the landlord). This is all general of course.</p>
<p>Smart counter move stating you are interested in renting our your primary residence and to move into the other unit. That would work, but as a tenant, i woudl argue in front of the tribunal that I should only be given my 60 days on or after you&#8217;ve signed arms-length tenants to your &#8216;new&#8217; rental unit. That would be an interesting scenario to see how the judge would rule.  </p>
<p>The other side of the coin is that if the tenants are indeed violating the lease, you as a landlord can just as easily approach the tribunal asking to evict the tenants. If the tenants are guilty you should probably win an eviction order.  Probably slightly easier than moving in for a few months!</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Cheap</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr. Cheap</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 18:22:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike:  That&#039;s why I wouldn&#039;t provide you, as my tenant, with detailed info about my principal residence :-).  I&#039;m renting the place I&#039;m in right now, so your gambit wouldn&#039;t work on me ;-).  Someone who *DID* own their place could easily demonstrate plans to start renting out their current residence (along with a rationale for why they&#039;re making the switch).  I&#039;m not so sure it&#039;d be a slam dunk as you expect.

Does the tribunal really impose free rent as punishment for landlords&#039; misdeeds?

When I was showing my condo, the tenants I most wanted to rent to were the ones who asked lots of questions, nailed down exactly what we were agreeing to, carefully read the entire lease and knew their rights (like you from the sounds of it).  My feeling (and it&#039;s borne out with the tenants in place now) is that people who are aware of the legal way to structure a rental agreement are more likely to live up to their end.  I&#039;m happy to live up to my end as well: I&#039;m not trying to impose any illegal actions on them.

I&#039;d only try to pull the whole &quot;you need to leave because I&#039;m moving in&quot; if tenants were violating the lease and trying to dig themselves in (and cause problems for me).

Mike (FP):  Yeah, I was pretty shocked as well.  I also agree that having their place sold underneath them is stressful for tenants (who usually expect high rent and bad changes after the change in ownership).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike:  That&#8217;s why I wouldn&#8217;t provide you, as my tenant, with detailed info about my principal residence <img src='http://www.four-pillars.ca/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> .  I&#8217;m renting the place I&#8217;m in right now, so your gambit wouldn&#8217;t work on me <img src='http://www.four-pillars.ca/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> .  Someone who *DID* own their place could easily demonstrate plans to start renting out their current residence (along with a rationale for why they&#8217;re making the switch).  I&#8217;m not so sure it&#8217;d be a slam dunk as you expect.</p>
<p>Does the tribunal really impose free rent as punishment for landlords&#8217; misdeeds?</p>
<p>When I was showing my condo, the tenants I most wanted to rent to were the ones who asked lots of questions, nailed down exactly what we were agreeing to, carefully read the entire lease and knew their rights (like you from the sounds of it).  My feeling (and it&#8217;s borne out with the tenants in place now) is that people who are aware of the legal way to structure a rental agreement are more likely to live up to their end.  I&#8217;m happy to live up to my end as well: I&#8217;m not trying to impose any illegal actions on them.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d only try to pull the whole &#8220;you need to leave because I&#8217;m moving in&#8221; if tenants were violating the lease and trying to dig themselves in (and cause problems for me).</p>
<p>Mike (FP):  Yeah, I was pretty shocked as well.  I also agree that having their place sold underneath them is stressful for tenants (who usually expect high rent and bad changes after the change in ownership).</p>
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		<title>By: Four Pillars</title>
		<link>http://www.four-pillars.ca/2009/02/26/selfish-reasons-to-be-a-good-landlord/comment-page-1/#comment-11382</link>
		<dc:creator>Four Pillars</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 18:00:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cheap - yes, the landlord just said the tenants &quot;wouldn&#039;t allow it&quot;.  As you point out whether it&#039;s legal or not doesn&#039;t really matter - you need the tenants to co-operate to some degree.

I agree about bribing the tenants - that&#039;s only fair.  Why should a tenant help you sell the house they live in so that you can evict them?  :)

I can&#039;t believe that landlord expected to you to turn your apartment into a public washroom / kitchen...  that&#039;s incredible.

I don&#039;t know why the guy wanted to sell - I think he used to live in Toronto and then moved out west or something.  Perhaps the tenants had given notice and he just wanted to sell asap?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cheap &#8211; yes, the landlord just said the tenants &#8220;wouldn&#8217;t allow it&#8221;.  As you point out whether it&#8217;s legal or not doesn&#8217;t really matter &#8211; you need the tenants to co-operate to some degree.</p>
<p>I agree about bribing the tenants &#8211; that&#8217;s only fair.  Why should a tenant help you sell the house they live in so that you can evict them?  <img src='http://www.four-pillars.ca/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I can&#8217;t believe that landlord expected to you to turn your apartment into a public washroom / kitchen&#8230;  that&#8217;s incredible.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know why the guy wanted to sell &#8211; I think he used to live in Toronto and then moved out west or something.  Perhaps the tenants had given notice and he just wanted to sell asap?</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 18:00:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Cheap wrote: &quot;In Canada I believe you could also move into the house yourself (or move a relative in) as a way to push them out. Force them to leave, move in and repair the place, then after a couple of months change your mind about living there and sell it.&quot;

Here&#039;s how I would counter that - I&#039;d prove you have no intent of selling your primary residence that you currently live in (not hard to show itsnot listed and you don&#039;t have an agent asigned to it etc.). Then I&#039;d take you to the Tribunal and likely win some free rent since you were illegally trying to evict me. 

BTW - i&#039;m a fantastic tenant. I just know my rights because although there are some good landlords out there, there are many that are slow on repairs, are bullies, or sometimes simply don&#039;t know what they cannot do. So I keep up to date on my rights as a tenant and because of that, I tend to get along well with my landlord as they either know or learn what their rights are as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Cheap wrote: &#8220;In Canada I believe you could also move into the house yourself (or move a relative in) as a way to push them out. Force them to leave, move in and repair the place, then after a couple of months change your mind about living there and sell it.&#8221;</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s how I would counter that &#8211; I&#8217;d prove you have no intent of selling your primary residence that you currently live in (not hard to show itsnot listed and you don&#8217;t have an agent asigned to it etc.). Then I&#8217;d take you to the Tribunal and likely win some free rent since you were illegally trying to evict me. </p>
<p>BTW &#8211; i&#8217;m a fantastic tenant. I just know my rights because although there are some good landlords out there, there are many that are slow on repairs, are bullies, or sometimes simply don&#8217;t know what they cannot do. So I keep up to date on my rights as a tenant and because of that, I tend to get along well with my landlord as they either know or learn what their rights are as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 17:56:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Four Pillars - as long as the landlord provides 24 hours clear notice, they can enter the unit for a variety of reasons. But a new 24 hour notice must be given with each intent to enter (i.e. you can&#039;t write one letter saying this is your notice covering the next three months). If you keep giving notice there is very little the tenant can do other than taking you to the Tribunal claiming the landlords constant entering of the apartment is interferring with the tenants ability to enjoy the unit. Then a judge would come to a decision etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Four Pillars &#8211; as long as the landlord provides 24 hours clear notice, they can enter the unit for a variety of reasons. But a new 24 hour notice must be given with each intent to enter (i.e. you can&#8217;t write one letter saying this is your notice covering the next three months). If you keep giving notice there is very little the tenant can do other than taking you to the Tribunal claiming the landlords constant entering of the apartment is interferring with the tenants ability to enjoy the unit. Then a judge would come to a decision etc.</p>
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