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	<title>Comments on: Using Margin to Lower Trading Costs</title>
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		<title>By: * Weekly Highlights: March 28, 2009</title>
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		<dc:creator>* Weekly Highlights: March 28, 2009</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 02:07:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] depressed, this article gives you the glass half full picture of this recession and economic crisis.Using Margin to Lower Trading Costs at Four Pillars &#8212; I try to avoid investing on margin when I could, but this article [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] depressed, this article gives you the glass half full picture of this recession and economic crisis.Using Margin to Lower Trading Costs at Four Pillars &#8212; I try to avoid investing on margin when I could, but this article [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Cheap</title>
		<link>http://www.four-pillars.ca/2009/03/12/using-margin-to-lower-trading-costs/comment-page-1/#comment-12055</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr. Cheap</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 15:56:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John:  Yes, you&#039;re absolutely right.  I ignored this in the post for clarity&#039;s sake (along with dividend income and stock appreciation).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John:  Yes, you&#8217;re absolutely right.  I ignored this in the post for clarity&#8217;s sake (along with dividend income and stock appreciation).</p>
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		<title>By: John Hormel</title>
		<link>http://www.four-pillars.ca/2009/03/12/using-margin-to-lower-trading-costs/comment-page-1/#comment-12002</link>
		<dc:creator>John Hormel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 01:20:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem with using margin is that it is essentially a loan, and you have to pay interest on the amount that you borrow</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem with using margin is that it is essentially a loan, and you have to pay interest on the amount that you borrow</p>
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		<title>By: Another QuickTax Giveaway and Weekend Links &#124; Million Dollar Journey</title>
		<link>http://www.four-pillars.ca/2009/03/12/using-margin-to-lower-trading-costs/comment-page-1/#comment-11999</link>
		<dc:creator>Another QuickTax Giveaway and Weekend Links &#124; Million Dollar Journey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Mar 2009 21:26:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Four Pillars writes about using margin to lower trading costs. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: CanadianFinance</title>
		<link>http://www.four-pillars.ca/2009/03/12/using-margin-to-lower-trading-costs/comment-page-1/#comment-11810</link>
		<dc:creator>CanadianFinance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 17:12:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not a bad idea. Since I plan to invest soon through a Smith Manoeuvre, the double leveraging might be more than I&#039;m comfortable with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not a bad idea. Since I plan to invest soon through a Smith Manoeuvre, the double leveraging might be more than I&#8217;m comfortable with.</p>
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		<title>By: Weekly Dividend Investing Roundup - March 14, 2009 &#124; The Dividend Guy Blog</title>
		<link>http://www.four-pillars.ca/2009/03/12/using-margin-to-lower-trading-costs/comment-page-1/#comment-11770</link>
		<dc:creator>Weekly Dividend Investing Roundup - March 14, 2009 &#124; The Dividend Guy Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 11:01:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Using margin to lower you investment costs [...]</description>
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		<title>By: The Financial Blogger &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Financial Ramblings Achievements Edition</title>
		<link>http://www.four-pillars.ca/2009/03/12/using-margin-to-lower-trading-costs/comment-page-1/#comment-11769</link>
		<dc:creator>The Financial Blogger &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Financial Ramblings Achievements Edition</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 11:00:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Four Pillars is telling us how to lower trading cost thought margins. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Four Pillars is telling us how to lower trading cost thought margins. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Cheap</title>
		<link>http://www.four-pillars.ca/2009/03/12/using-margin-to-lower-trading-costs/comment-page-1/#comment-11757</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr. Cheap</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 19:01:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thomas:  Yes, you&#039;re right, quite a similar idea.  Interesting link to the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.milliondollarjourney.com/smith-manoeuvre-strategy-the-rempel-maximum.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Rempel Maximum&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thomas:  Yes, you&#8217;re right, quite a similar idea.  Interesting link to the <a href="http://www.milliondollarjourney.com/smith-manoeuvre-strategy-the-rempel-maximum.htm" rel="nofollow">Rempel Maximum</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Cheap</title>
		<link>http://www.four-pillars.ca/2009/03/12/using-margin-to-lower-trading-costs/comment-page-1/#comment-11756</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr. Cheap</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 18:56:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thomas:  Thanks for the comment.  Sorry if this is similar to something that you posted about (I didn&#039;t read your comment, so its a coincidence - I&#039;ll go check it out now).  

In my opinion this *is* dollar cost averaging, because you&#039;re contributing the $150 each month, and you&#039;re buying regularly (maybe not monthly, but multiple times a year in the early stages, depending on your broker&#039;s commission and whatnot).  It isn&#039;t a &quot;buy all at once&quot; approach.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thomas:  Thanks for the comment.  Sorry if this is similar to something that you posted about (I didn&#8217;t read your comment, so its a coincidence &#8211; I&#8217;ll go check it out now).  </p>
<p>In my opinion this *is* dollar cost averaging, because you&#8217;re contributing the $150 each month, and you&#8217;re buying regularly (maybe not monthly, but multiple times a year in the early stages, depending on your broker&#8217;s commission and whatnot).  It isn&#8217;t a &#8220;buy all at once&#8221; approach.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 16:38:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This strategy is similar to one I posted in MDJ&#039;s comments regarding saving money, but I just suggested using a regular line of credit. i agree margin trading makes better sense. 

However, you used the phrase &quot;dollar cost averaging&quot; in your post, and DON&#039;T think this IS dollar cost averaging.

As I understand it, DCA involves investing a constant amount regularly over time. It has two advantages- it allows you to pay small amounts off your paychque so you don&#039;t notice the loss, and *it reduces volatility, because the price you pay for the investment will be approximately the average cost of the investment over the period you&#039;re making the purchases*. I think that&#039;s where the word &quot;averaging&quot; comes in. In other words, if you buy $12, 000 of a stock today, you take the risk that the stock is high today. If you invest that $12,000 over the course of a year (say $1,000/month), then you will end up getting shares at more or less their average share price over the course of the year. On the other hand, you don&#039;t get the chance to spend the $12,000 on a day when the share is down.

The margin strategy involves buying the shares all at once (if I understand it correctly), in order to reduce fees. It therefore doesn&#039;t have the second Averaging benefit of dollar cost averaging.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This strategy is similar to one I posted in MDJ&#8217;s comments regarding saving money, but I just suggested using a regular line of credit. i agree margin trading makes better sense. </p>
<p>However, you used the phrase &#8220;dollar cost averaging&#8221; in your post, and DON&#8217;T think this IS dollar cost averaging.</p>
<p>As I understand it, DCA involves investing a constant amount regularly over time. It has two advantages- it allows you to pay small amounts off your paychque so you don&#8217;t notice the loss, and *it reduces volatility, because the price you pay for the investment will be approximately the average cost of the investment over the period you&#8217;re making the purchases*. I think that&#8217;s where the word &#8220;averaging&#8221; comes in. In other words, if you buy $12, 000 of a stock today, you take the risk that the stock is high today. If you invest that $12,000 over the course of a year (say $1,000/month), then you will end up getting shares at more or less their average share price over the course of the year. On the other hand, you don&#8217;t get the chance to spend the $12,000 on a day when the share is down.</p>
<p>The margin strategy involves buying the shares all at once (if I understand it correctly), in order to reduce fees. It therefore doesn&#8217;t have the second Averaging benefit of dollar cost averaging.</p>
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