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		<title>By: * Weekly Highlights: April 12, 2009</title>
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		<dc:creator>* Weekly Highlights: April 12, 2009</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Apr 2009 14:26:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] My Dollar Plan &#8212; If you have been considering downsizing your house to save money, read this.More Car Company Thoughts at Four Pillars &#8212; A Canadian thought on our economic crisis and the auto industry bailoutIs [...]</description>
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		<title>By: The Financial Blogger &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Financial Ramblings</title>
		<link>http://www.four-pillars.ca/2009/04/03/car-post/comment-page-1/#comment-12985</link>
		<dc:creator>The Financial Blogger &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Financial Ramblings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Apr 2009 11:18:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Four Pillars has more car company thoughts… [...]</description>
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		<title>By: rocketc</title>
		<link>http://www.four-pillars.ca/2009/04/03/car-post/comment-page-1/#comment-12662</link>
		<dc:creator>rocketc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 21:21:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I understand that the US Constitution is not a big concern of yours - frankly it has not been a big concern of the US Congress or president ever since FDR . . .  I don&#039;t want to post a bunch of links, but google &quot;constitutionality bailout&quot; or &quot;constitution TARP&quot; and you will find all the info you need on why under US law, the government is not to help out a company.

The Chrysler bailout was a $1.5 billion loan that was repaid - a far cry from handing multiple billions to an almost random group of banks and companies.

It is strange to me that you and many people don&#039;t understand how giving trillions of public dollars to private companies is a great way to fill a government with corruption. It is not limited to Democrats, but you only need to look at the Obama cabinet to find people who are enriching themselves and gathering power to themselves through TARP and bailouts. Rahm Emmanuel, Robert Rubin, Lawrence Summers have all made multiple millions of dollars in the banking industry very recently. Chris Dodd and Mr. Obama himself recieved 6 figure donations (investments?) from AIG and other banks - even though the latter was only a senator for 18 months.  

Furthermore, our government only seems to give money to failing businesses. Why are they propping up businesses that have a proven track record of incompetence? If you are throwing public money around why not make it easier for well-run, efficient companies to thrive and grow?

This administration is seeking greater power over our financial system and big business than ever before. Big business, especially businesses who can&#039;t turn a profit, are now using the tools of the government for their own gain. The US Constitution was put in place, in part to protect the citizens from an over-reaching government. There is an old saying that is true today - &quot;absolute power corrupts absolutely&quot;. We might want to coin another saying &quot;the government that invests in bankruptcy goes bankrupt&quot;. 

If a business is run poorly and can&#039;t turn a profit - then it should go out of business. If the USA goes bankrupt, you in Canada will certainly feel it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I understand that the US Constitution is not a big concern of yours &#8211; frankly it has not been a big concern of the US Congress or president ever since FDR . . .  I don&#8217;t want to post a bunch of links, but google &#8220;constitutionality bailout&#8221; or &#8220;constitution TARP&#8221; and you will find all the info you need on why under US law, the government is not to help out a company.</p>
<p>The Chrysler bailout was a $1.5 billion loan that was repaid &#8211; a far cry from handing multiple billions to an almost random group of banks and companies.</p>
<p>It is strange to me that you and many people don&#8217;t understand how giving trillions of public dollars to private companies is a great way to fill a government with corruption. It is not limited to Democrats, but you only need to look at the Obama cabinet to find people who are enriching themselves and gathering power to themselves through TARP and bailouts. Rahm Emmanuel, Robert Rubin, Lawrence Summers have all made multiple millions of dollars in the banking industry very recently. Chris Dodd and Mr. Obama himself recieved 6 figure donations (investments?) from AIG and other banks &#8211; even though the latter was only a senator for 18 months.  </p>
<p>Furthermore, our government only seems to give money to failing businesses. Why are they propping up businesses that have a proven track record of incompetence? If you are throwing public money around why not make it easier for well-run, efficient companies to thrive and grow?</p>
<p>This administration is seeking greater power over our financial system and big business than ever before. Big business, especially businesses who can&#8217;t turn a profit, are now using the tools of the government for their own gain. The US Constitution was put in place, in part to protect the citizens from an over-reaching government. There is an old saying that is true today &#8211; &#8220;absolute power corrupts absolutely&#8221;. We might want to coin another saying &#8220;the government that invests in bankruptcy goes bankrupt&#8221;. </p>
<p>If a business is run poorly and can&#8217;t turn a profit &#8211; then it should go out of business. If the USA goes bankrupt, you in Canada will certainly feel it.</p>
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		<title>By: Intelligent Speculator &#124; Financial Ramblings</title>
		<link>http://www.four-pillars.ca/2009/04/03/car-post/comment-page-1/#comment-12600</link>
		<dc:creator>Intelligent Speculator &#124; Financial Ramblings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Apr 2009 19:41:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 6-Very interesting outlook from Four-Pillars on the Car companies. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Four Pillars</title>
		<link>http://www.four-pillars.ca/2009/04/03/car-post/comment-page-1/#comment-12571</link>
		<dc:creator>Four Pillars</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 18:39:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rocket - I didn&#039;t miss anything - the US constitution isn&#039;t a big concern of mine.  :)

This type of bailout is not without a lot of precedent (ie Chrysler &amp; Iaccoca) - where exactly in the constitution does it say that the government can&#039;t help out a company?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rocket &#8211; I didn&#8217;t miss anything &#8211; the US constitution isn&#8217;t a big concern of mine.  <img src='http://www.four-pillars.ca/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>This type of bailout is not without a lot of precedent (ie Chrysler &amp; Iaccoca) &#8211; where exactly in the constitution does it say that the government can&#8217;t help out a company?</p>
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		<title>By: rocketc</title>
		<link>http://www.four-pillars.ca/2009/04/03/car-post/comment-page-1/#comment-12568</link>
		<dc:creator>rocketc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 17:35:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>4P, I think you have some good thoughts on this issue, but you are missing the big point:

The US Constitution was violated when public tax dollars were given to a private company. It was further violated when the President of the US basically fired a CEO of a private company. 

This is a very slippery slope.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>4P, I think you have some good thoughts on this issue, but you are missing the big point:</p>
<p>The US Constitution was violated when public tax dollars were given to a private company. It was further violated when the President of the US basically fired a CEO of a private company. </p>
<p>This is a very slippery slope.</p>
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		<title>By: Millionaireby45</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 16:04:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I feel sorry for the employees who are loosing there jobs but the union has to wake up and smell the coffee.  I heard a guy on TV the other day state: &quot;GM makes cars that people want to buy.  They are the safest,most reliable, and  most fuel efficient vehicles out there.  We have the most productive plants and the vehicles are very affordable right now.&quot;  I am not sure how a company could be this great and still loose 82 billion dollars over 4 years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel sorry for the employees who are loosing there jobs but the union has to wake up and smell the coffee.  I heard a guy on TV the other day state: &#8220;GM makes cars that people want to buy.  They are the safest,most reliable, and  most fuel efficient vehicles out there.  We have the most productive plants and the vehicles are very affordable right now.&#8221;  I am not sure how a company could be this great and still loose 82 billion dollars over 4 years.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve in Montreal</title>
		<link>http://www.four-pillars.ca/2009/04/03/car-post/comment-page-1/#comment-12566</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve in Montreal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 14:41:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m so tired of this union character.  I think I&#039;ll buy shares in Canadian Tire. When GM and Chrysler go bye-bye, the only place to have the vehicles repaired will be at the Cdn Tire shop (small amount at local mechanics).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m so tired of this union character.  I think I&#8217;ll buy shares in Canadian Tire. When GM and Chrysler go bye-bye, the only place to have the vehicles repaired will be at the Cdn Tire shop (small amount at local mechanics).</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://www.four-pillars.ca/2009/04/03/car-post/comment-page-1/#comment-12564</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 14:13:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In regards to why Wagoner was asked to leave GM, maybe its the other way around... Yes he has done some good with the company during the time he was there but considering where they were at now &amp; the &quot;unwillingness&quot; for the union to talk sensibly, he may have decided that he had had enough &amp; wanted out... I know that if I would have been in his shoes, it would have been something to think about...

as far as Lewenza is concerned, he&#039;s getting his 15 minutes of &quot;fame&quot;... He and the union workers will need to wake-up &amp; smell the coffee... If noone buys your cars because of costs, I don&#039;t care how good your union is, your business is bankrupt... Now tell me how your union will help you when that happens... 

I totally flipped when I heard him say that they weren&#039;t open to new discussions... This guy is more of a farce than a union rep and I don&#039;t know what kind of stuff he&#039;s smoking but it&#039;s keeping him in a LALA land that is really out of this world!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In regards to why Wagoner was asked to leave GM, maybe its the other way around&#8230; Yes he has done some good with the company during the time he was there but considering where they were at now &amp; the &#8220;unwillingness&#8221; for the union to talk sensibly, he may have decided that he had had enough &amp; wanted out&#8230; I know that if I would have been in his shoes, it would have been something to think about&#8230;</p>
<p>as far as Lewenza is concerned, he&#8217;s getting his 15 minutes of &#8220;fame&#8221;&#8230; He and the union workers will need to wake-up &amp; smell the coffee&#8230; If noone buys your cars because of costs, I don&#8217;t care how good your union is, your business is bankrupt&#8230; Now tell me how your union will help you when that happens&#8230; </p>
<p>I totally flipped when I heard him say that they weren&#8217;t open to new discussions&#8230; This guy is more of a farce than a union rep and I don&#8217;t know what kind of stuff he&#8217;s smoking but it&#8217;s keeping him in a LALA land that is really out of this world!!</p>
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		<title>By: Four Pillars</title>
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		<dc:creator>Four Pillars</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 11:05:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FB - I&#039;m not sure why there wouldn&#039;t be parts for those cars.  Just because a company goes into bankruptcy doesn&#039;t mean they won&#039;t still be making the cars.

Of course if your model gets axed then that might be a problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FB &#8211; I&#8217;m not sure why there wouldn&#8217;t be parts for those cars.  Just because a company goes into bankruptcy doesn&#8217;t mean they won&#8217;t still be making the cars.</p>
<p>Of course if your model gets axed then that might be a problem.</p>
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