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		<title>By: Money Links Just in time for the weekend</title>
		<link>http://www.four-pillars.ca/2009/06/18/freegans/comment-page-1/#comment-20049</link>
		<dc:creator>Money Links Just in time for the weekend</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 22:42:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Freegans [...]</description>
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		<title>By: danielle</title>
		<link>http://www.four-pillars.ca/2009/06/18/freegans/comment-page-1/#comment-20048</link>
		<dc:creator>danielle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 22:42:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>there&#039;s definitely a scale of freeganism where people find themselves on different parts of. i believe very strongly in the concept of barter (trading services and goods without the need for cash). but dumpster diving definitely isn&#039;t for me. and neither is scamming corporations, no matter how much i may despise the message that some of them send. i just don&#039;t buy from them. there&#039;s a Freecycle website for people who want a more &quot;organized&quot; version of the freegan lifestyle, mainly organized through Yahoo! groups http://www.freecycle.org/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>there&#8217;s definitely a scale of freeganism where people find themselves on different parts of. i believe very strongly in the concept of barter (trading services and goods without the need for cash). but dumpster diving definitely isn&#8217;t for me. and neither is scamming corporations, no matter how much i may despise the message that some of them send. i just don&#8217;t buy from them. there&#8217;s a Freecycle website for people who want a more &#8220;organized&#8221; version of the freegan lifestyle, mainly organized through Yahoo! groups <a href="http://www.freecycle.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.freecycle.org/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Midlife Beginnings &#187; Blog Archive</title>
		<link>http://www.four-pillars.ca/2009/06/18/freegans/comment-page-1/#comment-20042</link>
		<dc:creator>Midlife Beginnings &#187; Blog Archive</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 21:24:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Pillars is a Canadian financial blog full of practical advice. Today&#8217;s article on Freegans is a good one. I guess I&#8217;m a bit of a Freegan, picking through used books on the sidewalks to [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Pillars is a Canadian financial blog full of practical advice. Today&#8217;s article on Freegans is a good one. I guess I&#8217;m a bit of a Freegan, picking through used books on the sidewalks to [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Intelligent Speculator &#124; Financial Ramblings</title>
		<link>http://www.four-pillars.ca/2009/06/18/freegans/comment-page-1/#comment-20005</link>
		<dc:creator>Intelligent Speculator &#124; Financial Ramblings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 11:01:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] -Ideas for father day gifts, and frugal ones:) -Signs of Recovery: Do We Needs More Stimulus? -Ever heard of Freeganism??? Neither had I:) -Recession vacations  -Great question: How much does a NYC bike messenger make??? [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] -Ideas for father day gifts, and frugal ones:) -Signs of Recovery: Do We Needs More Stimulus? -Ever heard of Freeganism??? Neither had I:) -Recession vacations  -Great question: How much does a NYC bike messenger make??? [...]</p>
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		<title>By: MoneyEnergy</title>
		<link>http://www.four-pillars.ca/2009/06/18/freegans/comment-page-1/#comment-19965</link>
		<dc:creator>MoneyEnergy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 01:06:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very interesting, I&#039;m so out of the loop I guess that I&#039;ve never heard this term.  But why does it supposedly come from &quot;vegan&quot; - *are* they vegan, or a majority of them?  I guess they just want to sound like that.  

I agree with you, I think the scavenging is cool, since so much is wasted in our society, but I&#039;d draw the line at actually eating from trash (it&#039;d be ok to receive day-old donuts from the store itself) and stealing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting, I&#8217;m so out of the loop I guess that I&#8217;ve never heard this term.  But why does it supposedly come from &#8220;vegan&#8221; &#8211; *are* they vegan, or a majority of them?  I guess they just want to sound like that.  </p>
<p>I agree with you, I think the scavenging is cool, since so much is wasted in our society, but I&#8217;d draw the line at actually eating from trash (it&#8217;d be ok to receive day-old donuts from the store itself) and stealing.</p>
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		<title>By: Victor</title>
		<link>http://www.four-pillars.ca/2009/06/18/freegans/comment-page-1/#comment-19795</link>
		<dc:creator>Victor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 18:38:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice! <img src='http://www.four-pillars.ca/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://www.four-pillars.ca/2009/06/18/freegans/comment-page-1/#comment-19793</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 18:31:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Victor.

I installed the comment email plugin again so you can subscribe to the comments for each post.  I had this installed before but I don&#039;t know what happened to it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Victor.</p>
<p>I installed the comment email plugin again so you can subscribe to the comments for each post.  I had this installed before but I don&#8217;t know what happened to it.</p>
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		<title>By: Victor</title>
		<link>http://www.four-pillars.ca/2009/06/18/freegans/comment-page-1/#comment-19760</link>
		<dc:creator>Victor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 14:56:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Four Pillars - I found it hard to believe too. I still do.

Items stores throw out generally fall into three major categories: Returns, goods that are not selling and and items where the packaging has been damaged. When a customer returns an item there are a few possibilities. 

1) The customer doesn&#039;t want it, but it works fine and the packaging is perfect. The item goes back on the shelf.

2) The customer damaged the packaging.  Generally, it goes in the bin or is returned to the manufacturer for exchange. However, the latter option involves a lot of paperwork and time. If it&#039;s a busy time like just after a holiday, it goes in the bin.

3) The customer says the item doesn&#039;t work. See (2). However, I have found that about 50% (yes, half) of the time, this is not true. For example (actual examples of things I&#039;ve found, not made up): A printer where &quot;the software CD doesn&#039;t work&quot; but it did. An IKEA desk that is &quot;missing hardware&quot; but only three screws were missing and cost me 4c at a hardware store.

Packaging can be damaged in the store, during shipping, during handling by employees, etc. Generally, these items go in the bin. If the store is too busy to handle returns, it all goes in the bin. I have heard that the stores can apparently declare these items as a loss for tax reasons, and they can declare the full value.

As an example of goods not selling, if a set of green and red candles is just not selling in early January, even at 50% off, they&#039;ll get binned. &quot;Why wouldn&#039;t they mark them down to 90% off?&quot; you might ask. Good question, and I asked the same thing. The reasons I&#039;ve come up with are that if they did that, 1) customers who bought at full price would (rightly) feel scammed, 2) customers would go for the 90% off candles rather than other full price candles, thus reducing profit, and 3) at 90% off the store is losing money, so they do better declaring it at full value as a loss.

It really is truly appalling that it&#039;s cheaper for the store to throw something out than to exchange it with the manufacturer or sell it at a huge discount, but it is what it is.

In the dozen or so times I&#039;ve gone, I have unfortuntely never found a big screen TV. My guess is that with really big ticket items, it IS worth returning them to the manufacturer for exchange. But I did find a $500 colour laser printer that worked (software CD missing so I downloaded the drivers). Mostly the items I found were under $100, possibly for the reason I listed for the big screen TV. 

Hope I answered your questions. I wish I got an email when this page updated. Feel free to email me if you wish.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Four Pillars &#8211; I found it hard to believe too. I still do.</p>
<p>Items stores throw out generally fall into three major categories: Returns, goods that are not selling and and items where the packaging has been damaged. When a customer returns an item there are a few possibilities. </p>
<p>1) The customer doesn&#8217;t want it, but it works fine and the packaging is perfect. The item goes back on the shelf.</p>
<p>2) The customer damaged the packaging.  Generally, it goes in the bin or is returned to the manufacturer for exchange. However, the latter option involves a lot of paperwork and time. If it&#8217;s a busy time like just after a holiday, it goes in the bin.</p>
<p>3) The customer says the item doesn&#8217;t work. See (2). However, I have found that about 50% (yes, half) of the time, this is not true. For example (actual examples of things I&#8217;ve found, not made up): A printer where &#8220;the software CD doesn&#8217;t work&#8221; but it did. An IKEA desk that is &#8220;missing hardware&#8221; but only three screws were missing and cost me 4c at a hardware store.</p>
<p>Packaging can be damaged in the store, during shipping, during handling by employees, etc. Generally, these items go in the bin. If the store is too busy to handle returns, it all goes in the bin. I have heard that the stores can apparently declare these items as a loss for tax reasons, and they can declare the full value.</p>
<p>As an example of goods not selling, if a set of green and red candles is just not selling in early January, even at 50% off, they&#8217;ll get binned. &#8220;Why wouldn&#8217;t they mark them down to 90% off?&#8221; you might ask. Good question, and I asked the same thing. The reasons I&#8217;ve come up with are that if they did that, 1) customers who bought at full price would (rightly) feel scammed, 2) customers would go for the 90% off candles rather than other full price candles, thus reducing profit, and 3) at 90% off the store is losing money, so they do better declaring it at full value as a loss.</p>
<p>It really is truly appalling that it&#8217;s cheaper for the store to throw something out than to exchange it with the manufacturer or sell it at a huge discount, but it is what it is.</p>
<p>In the dozen or so times I&#8217;ve gone, I have unfortuntely never found a big screen TV. My guess is that with really big ticket items, it IS worth returning them to the manufacturer for exchange. But I did find a $500 colour laser printer that worked (software CD missing so I downloaded the drivers). Mostly the items I found were under $100, possibly for the reason I listed for the big screen TV. </p>
<p>Hope I answered your questions. I wish I got an email when this page updated. Feel free to email me if you wish.</p>
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		<title>By: Four Pillars</title>
		<link>http://www.four-pillars.ca/2009/06/18/freegans/comment-page-1/#comment-19755</link>
		<dc:creator>Four Pillars</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 14:11:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Victor - I find it very hard to believe that big box stores throw out merchandise.  Did you find any flat screen tvs?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Victor &#8211; I find it very hard to believe that big box stores throw out merchandise.  Did you find any flat screen tvs?</p>
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		<title>By: Al</title>
		<link>http://www.four-pillars.ca/2009/06/18/freegans/comment-page-1/#comment-19750</link>
		<dc:creator>Al</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 13:31:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s common practice in my neighbourhood to put out reusable items on the street a few days before garbage day.  Nothing I&#039;ve put out was still there by time the garbage truck came, and I&#039;ve taken some things off the side of the road as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s common practice in my neighbourhood to put out reusable items on the street a few days before garbage day.  Nothing I&#8217;ve put out was still there by time the garbage truck came, and I&#8217;ve taken some things off the side of the road as well.</p>
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