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		<title>By: Carlyle</title>
		<link>http://www.four-pillars.ca/2009/11/19/blending-investment-and-labour-income/comment-page-1/#comment-45240</link>
		<dc:creator>Carlyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 19:56:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is an easy way to reassess ones risk assessment (following initial portfolio setup), simply follow John Bogle&#039;s suggestion to hold your age in bonds.  That plus buy-hold-rebalance among a diversified group of asset classes allows you to pursue more interesting affairs than fussing over ones investment portfolio. And occasionally take a look at the Coffeehouse Portfolio to see that Mr. Bennett&#039;s opinion that &quot;Buy-and-Hold can never work&quot; is pure hokum. Because he is sure to continue to comment here and at every other site he can find that anyone who doesn&#039;t follow his particular investment approach is doomed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is an easy way to reassess ones risk assessment (following initial portfolio setup), simply follow John Bogle&#8217;s suggestion to hold your age in bonds.  That plus buy-hold-rebalance among a diversified group of asset classes allows you to pursue more interesting affairs than fussing over ones investment portfolio. And occasionally take a look at the Coffeehouse Portfolio to see that Mr. Bennett&#8217;s opinion that &#8220;Buy-and-Hold can never work&#8221; is pure hokum. Because he is sure to continue to comment here and at every other site he can find that anyone who doesn&#8217;t follow his particular investment approach is doomed.</p>
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		<title>By: This and That: 100x ETFs, TFSAs and more&#8230; &#124; Canadian Capitalist</title>
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		<dc:creator>This and That: 100x ETFs, TFSAs and more&#8230; &#124; Canadian Capitalist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 22:40:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Mr. Cheap points out that many investors forget to account for the value of their labour in figuring out the return on investm.... [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Jess</title>
		<link>http://www.four-pillars.ca/2009/11/19/blending-investment-and-labour-income/comment-page-1/#comment-45110</link>
		<dc:creator>Jess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 20:49:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Alexandra
 It’s different style of running it.  I’m aware that you can pocket the maintenance fee but is it worth it? Plus I’m not the one paying for it. Time is more valuable than money to me.  “It’s Working IN your business versus Working ON your business” excerpt from the book eMyth.  I run properties the same way as I run hosting company.   I don’t personally buy the server, put all those cables, install and upgrade software, monitor the servers, secure it and etc…   Instead, I rent a server in a 24/7 secured locations and let them do all those technical stuff.  I focus on creating the business instead.  I always keep this thought, “If you can’t live your business in a year, you don’t own a business, you own a job”.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Alexandra<br />
 It’s different style of running it.  I’m aware that you can pocket the maintenance fee but is it worth it? Plus I’m not the one paying for it. Time is more valuable than money to me.  “It’s Working IN your business versus Working ON your business” excerpt from the book eMyth.  I run properties the same way as I run hosting company.   I don’t personally buy the server, put all those cables, install and upgrade software, monitor the servers, secure it and etc…   Instead, I rent a server in a 24/7 secured locations and let them do all those technical stuff.  I focus on creating the business instead.  I always keep this thought, “If you can’t live your business in a year, you don’t own a business, you own a job”.</p>
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		<title>By: Alexandra</title>
		<link>http://www.four-pillars.ca/2009/11/19/blending-investment-and-labour-income/comment-page-1/#comment-45107</link>
		<dc:creator>Alexandra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 20:34:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rob - I think I get what you are saying.  Even though I may have felt comfortable with say a 15-65-20% split between bonds, US/Canadian index and foreign funds 5 years ago, now things might have changed?

But I knew that going in.   That&#039;s what doing a risk assessment is all about.  Knowing the risk and being willing to assume that risk.  

After that, re-balance, and every once in awhile re-assess your testicular fortitude.

I think I would rather be a (capital)Passive Investor than a Reactive investor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rob &#8211; I think I get what you are saying.  Even though I may have felt comfortable with say a 15-65-20% split between bonds, US/Canadian index and foreign funds 5 years ago, now things might have changed?</p>
<p>But I knew that going in.   That&#8217;s what doing a risk assessment is all about.  Knowing the risk and being willing to assume that risk.  </p>
<p>After that, re-balance, and every once in awhile re-assess your testicular fortitude.</p>
<p>I think I would rather be a (capital)Passive Investor than a Reactive investor.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Bennett</title>
		<link>http://www.four-pillars.ca/2009/11/19/blending-investment-and-labour-income/comment-page-1/#comment-45097</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob Bennett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 20:00:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;What would you classify this as: passive or active investing?&lt;/i&gt;

I would classify that as Passive Investing, Alexandra. It sounds to me as though you are deliberately trying to stay at the same stock allocation at all times.

The risk inherent in stock investing is not stable (according to me!). If your stock allocation is constant and the risk level of stocks is ever changing (it changes with changes in valuation levels), your portfolio&#039;s risk level is ever changing. There might be some times when your stock allocation is roughly right. But there will be other times when it will be wildly wrong. My belief (and I argue that this belief is backed by the entire historical record) is that you will pay  a big price for having wildly inappropriate stock allocations at many times.

There are many smart and good people who think I am wrong. The vast majority of experts in this field say that it is fine (and even a good idea) to stay at the same stock allocation at all times. And I am of course capable of error, like all the other humans. That&#039;s the other side of the story. 

Rob</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>What would you classify this as: passive or active investing?</i></p>
<p>I would classify that as Passive Investing, Alexandra. It sounds to me as though you are deliberately trying to stay at the same stock allocation at all times.</p>
<p>The risk inherent in stock investing is not stable (according to me!). If your stock allocation is constant and the risk level of stocks is ever changing (it changes with changes in valuation levels), your portfolio&#8217;s risk level is ever changing. There might be some times when your stock allocation is roughly right. But there will be other times when it will be wildly wrong. My belief (and I argue that this belief is backed by the entire historical record) is that you will pay  a big price for having wildly inappropriate stock allocations at many times.</p>
<p>There are many smart and good people who think I am wrong. The vast majority of experts in this field say that it is fine (and even a good idea) to stay at the same stock allocation at all times. And I am of course capable of error, like all the other humans. That&#8217;s the other side of the story. </p>
<p>Rob</p>
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		<title>By: Alexandra</title>
		<link>http://www.four-pillars.ca/2009/11/19/blending-investment-and-labour-income/comment-page-1/#comment-45096</link>
		<dc:creator>Alexandra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 19:36:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rob, I have a question for you.

I am very good at saving money, but I really hate putting a lot of effort into managing my finances.  About five years ago I filled out a risk portfolio and have an investment portfolio that matches it.  Apparently, it auto-balances for me every month.  In other words, I am always purchasing a fixed dollar amount of each fund, but when prices drop in a particular fund, I end up buying more shares of it, and when prices go up in another, I buy less.

I am 35 and cannot see my risk profile changing much over the next few years, so that has remained unchanged.  But I will re-assess as I near retirement (I&#039;m only 35).

What would you classify this as:  passive or active investing?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rob, I have a question for you.</p>
<p>I am very good at saving money, but I really hate putting a lot of effort into managing my finances.  About five years ago I filled out a risk portfolio and have an investment portfolio that matches it.  Apparently, it auto-balances for me every month.  In other words, I am always purchasing a fixed dollar amount of each fund, but when prices drop in a particular fund, I end up buying more shares of it, and when prices go up in another, I buy less.</p>
<p>I am 35 and cannot see my risk profile changing much over the next few years, so that has remained unchanged.  But I will re-assess as I near retirement (I&#8217;m only 35).</p>
<p>What would you classify this as:  passive or active investing?</p>
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		<title>By: Alexandra</title>
		<link>http://www.four-pillars.ca/2009/11/19/blending-investment-and-labour-income/comment-page-1/#comment-45094</link>
		<dc:creator>Alexandra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 19:26:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whoops, sorry about that!

I always read the comments before I post and I guess I mistakenly attributed that comment to Mr. Cheap.  

Now that I realize it isn&#039;t yours, the article makes so much more sense - LOL.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whoops, sorry about that!</p>
<p>I always read the comments before I post and I guess I mistakenly attributed that comment to Mr. Cheap.  </p>
<p>Now that I realize it isn&#8217;t yours, the article makes so much more sense &#8211; LOL.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Cheap</title>
		<link>http://www.four-pillars.ca/2009/11/19/blending-investment-and-labour-income/comment-page-1/#comment-45087</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr. Cheap</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 19:08:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alexandra:  yes, as has been pointed out, that was another commenter.  For what it&#039;s worth, I agree with you 100%.  

(my post about beating the market is a joke, although I think there&#039;s an important point hiding in it).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alexandra:  yes, as has been pointed out, that was another commenter.  For what it&#8217;s worth, I agree with you 100%.  </p>
<p>(my post about beating the market is a joke, although I think there&#8217;s an important point hiding in it).</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Bennett</title>
		<link>http://www.four-pillars.ca/2009/11/19/blending-investment-and-labour-income/comment-page-1/#comment-45082</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob Bennett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 18:40:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;You said I view it as a terribly self-limiting mistake for anyone to fall into the trap of thinking that it is not even possible to beat the market.&lt;/i&gt;

You have to let Mr. Cheap off the hook re that one, Alexandra. That was me!

&lt;i&gt;Let’s agree on something though – Most people would almost always do better just to buy index funds.&lt;/i&gt;

Jut for the record, I agree with that particular statement. But &lt;i&gt;only&lt;/i&gt; if the investor understands that Buy-and-Hold can never work. Indexes are wonderful. But many indexers follow a Buy-and-Hold approach, which means that they are not lowering their stock allocations when prices go to insanely dangerous levels. My view is that indexing is the best approach out there and that Buy-and-Hold is the worst approach out there. I view it as most unfortunate that many have come to think of these two are being pretty much the same thing. Buy-and-Hold is bad enough to counter all the benefits of indexing (in my view!).

Rob</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>You said I view it as a terribly self-limiting mistake for anyone to fall into the trap of thinking that it is not even possible to beat the market.</i></p>
<p>You have to let Mr. Cheap off the hook re that one, Alexandra. That was me!</p>
<p><i>Let’s agree on something though – Most people would almost always do better just to buy index funds.</i></p>
<p>Jut for the record, I agree with that particular statement. But <i>only</i> if the investor understands that Buy-and-Hold can never work. Indexes are wonderful. But many indexers follow a Buy-and-Hold approach, which means that they are not lowering their stock allocations when prices go to insanely dangerous levels. My view is that indexing is the best approach out there and that Buy-and-Hold is the worst approach out there. I view it as most unfortunate that many have come to think of these two are being pretty much the same thing. Buy-and-Hold is bad enough to counter all the benefits of indexing (in my view!).</p>
<p>Rob</p>
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		<title>By: Alexandra</title>
		<link>http://www.four-pillars.ca/2009/11/19/blending-investment-and-labour-income/comment-page-1/#comment-45078</link>
		<dc:creator>Alexandra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 18:26:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Cheap, what I meant is that I agree that most investors probably do not take into account how much time it takes to properly research the company before they make a stock purchase.  And my bet is that it would take either inside knowledge or incredible luck to &lt;i&gt;consistently&lt;/i&gt; pick up stock that will go up in price beyond what the market researchers have already predicted.   My own belief is that most stocks are priced very well these days due to an insane amount of research being done, research that isn&#039;t available to the layman.

I have a friend who works in the reserach department of a hedge fund company here in Toronto.  He has a business and math degree.  He works all day long, investigating and researching possible investments for his company.  They pay him six figures to do so.  They buy risk-management aseessment software for tens of thousands of dollars, and which provides a service to them for several tens thousands of dollars a year  (I work for that software company, so I know).   He is one of several people on the research team.  This company hires the very best people, and acquires the very best tools to search out stock and financial opportunities.  And all the other hedge fund, mutual fund and investment houses do the same.  Are you telling me that a guy sitting at home is going to have more knowledge at his hands to see a great stock deal than these guys (at least consistently)?  I don&#039;t think so.  Or maybe I just don&#039;t understand what you are saying.

You said &lt;i&gt; I view it as a terribly self-limiting mistake for anyone to fall into the trap of thinking that it is not even possible to beat the market. &lt;/i&gt;

I was with you until you said that.

I think that it would be pulling the wool over your own eyes to think that you could consistently beat the market by yourself.  But hey, some hedge fund managers do.  They just have a budget of a million or so a year to do so.  So maybe it&#039;s achievable for them.  I don&#039;t think it&#039;s achievable for you and I.

Let&#039;s agree on something though - 
Most people would almost always do better just to buy index funds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Cheap, what I meant is that I agree that most investors probably do not take into account how much time it takes to properly research the company before they make a stock purchase.  And my bet is that it would take either inside knowledge or incredible luck to <i>consistently</i> pick up stock that will go up in price beyond what the market researchers have already predicted.   My own belief is that most stocks are priced very well these days due to an insane amount of research being done, research that isn&#8217;t available to the layman.</p>
<p>I have a friend who works in the reserach department of a hedge fund company here in Toronto.  He has a business and math degree.  He works all day long, investigating and researching possible investments for his company.  They pay him six figures to do so.  They buy risk-management aseessment software for tens of thousands of dollars, and which provides a service to them for several tens thousands of dollars a year  (I work for that software company, so I know).   He is one of several people on the research team.  This company hires the very best people, and acquires the very best tools to search out stock and financial opportunities.  And all the other hedge fund, mutual fund and investment houses do the same.  Are you telling me that a guy sitting at home is going to have more knowledge at his hands to see a great stock deal than these guys (at least consistently)?  I don&#8217;t think so.  Or maybe I just don&#8217;t understand what you are saying.</p>
<p>You said <i> I view it as a terribly self-limiting mistake for anyone to fall into the trap of thinking that it is not even possible to beat the market. </i></p>
<p>I was with you until you said that.</p>
<p>I think that it would be pulling the wool over your own eyes to think that you could consistently beat the market by yourself.  But hey, some hedge fund managers do.  They just have a budget of a million or so a year to do so.  So maybe it&#8217;s achievable for them.  I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s achievable for you and I.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s agree on something though &#8211;<br />
Most people would almost always do better just to buy index funds.</p>
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